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| Chevrolet Volt This is a discussion on The Volt: GM is, slowly but surely, screwing it up... within the Chevrolet Volt forums, part of the Other Cars category; I just want to add a note that in Volt, combustion engine and electric motor does not have synergy. They ... |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Whitestone, NY
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My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #3 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 14 | I just want to add a note that in Volt, combustion engine and electric motor does not have synergy. They are mutually exclusive because Volt use the ICE when the battery pack is run down. There are tasks that combustion engine do better than the electric motor w/ battery and vice versa. Heating cabin is something the combustion engine clearly do better than the battery pack! Use the ICE to heat up the cabin! Charge the battery if there are excess energy. Hybrid 101 man! I can give Volt's powertrain this name: Dual Engine Asynergy Drive |
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My Car: 2005 Prius Package: B Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 11 | Quote:
or do you have a better explanation? How heavy were the EV1 NiMH batteries? | |
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My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #3 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 14 | Prius' NiMH pack has 1.31 kWh of energy and weights 99 lbs. Volt has 16 kWh Lithium pack that is expected to weight about 400 lbs. That is more than 12x energy but it only weights 4x more. You can say Volt' pack has 3x more energy for the same weight as Prius' pack. Even with that Lithium advantage, a lot of compromises has to be made to run the car for 30 miles in real world with creature comfort. That's why Toyota has been saying we need a break-thru in battery technology. Toyota has li-ion tech that double the energy compare to a typical li-ion. The price also has to come down as well to become suitable for mass market.
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My Car: 2005 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 4 Times in 1 Post TOTM Awards: 1Friends: 0 | Another point that was pointedly pointed out to me was that the ICE requires a fuel source which will be sitting in some tank for some length of time. The hope that the Volt with a 40 mi range will eliminate the need for petro-fuel is very pie in the sky. The fuel would soon go stale and gum up the ICE if it was never used. Thus this counter-efficient situation will likely have to occur. The driver will have to find a route or trip which is longer than 40 miles...significantly longer.... in order to deplete the fuel in the tank so that it can be replaced with fresh fuel. |
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But heck, if you're the type that hasn't used any gasoline in 2-3 months, it might be best to drain the tank and only put fuel in for longer trips. | |
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| Opps !! I Did it Again!! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Puget Sound, WA
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My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 4 | *yawn*... it almost seems like everyone here is surprised that gm isnt putting up what they promised. when the volt was announced, about 90% immediately dismissed it as complete hype or total BS. the other 10% expressed cautious optimism. iow... no one really believed the volt would happen... so what has changed to make anyone think differently? to be honest with ya. i was in the "10%" crowd and i still am. a 4 seater would be a bummer, but i would still be happy with it. i could make do if everything else was as advertised. but couple that with a $40,000 price tag, dropping stats, gm's legendary ability to take a good thing and destroy it and to be honest with ya... i'm still in the "10%" category... but i am not (and didnt) hold my breath for anything that has to do with gm.
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My Car: 2004 Prius Package: #9 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 2 | Most recent screw up: They're hinting that the limited first run may require them to only lease them . . . at least in the beginning . . . de ja vu |
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