calculation details of Volt's 230mpg city estimate

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Originally Posted by Fstr911

I'm a brand loyal consumer and I love my Prius.

However there seems to be a little energy here slamming an American auto mfg that is making a very bold move to get us to an alternative way of travel more efficiency.

I respect and support any manufacturer that makes a sincere effort to offer a product that ultimately benefits the United States of America.

As far the “real numbers” go with the Volt, at this point I say let the chips fall where they may. The American public will respond accordingly.

Let’s encourage innovation, after all that’s what makes America great.

1) Just because (pre & post banko) GM is headquartered in the U.S. does NOT mean the 'company' is a U.S. company. When a significant amount of assembly & sub assembly is done in Mexico, Canada, and China, it is simply an auto manufacturing company. Even GM's primary source for batteries (a substantial part of the Volt) appears to be going to China.

2) Sincere? When GM refuses to admit to having a waiting list of thousands for the EV1 (until until the list was WAVED in their face, and at that point they had to spin 'truth' a different way)?

3) Benefits America? When did GM want to benefit America. GM benefits GM. Period. GM, for example left hundreds of acres (multiple manufactuing sites, in multiple states) of abandoned toxic waste ... and that does not benefit America:

New GM Shirks Responsibility for Old Toxic Dumps and Mercury Disposal | Hybrid Cars

Then there was the crushing of the Trolly system several decades ago, but no need to beat a dead horse.

I hope the Volt (If in fact it ever really gets into real numbers production) is a smash hit. If it is, then maybe you can make a ribbon out of a pigs ear.

Even as the Nation has less & less fossil fuel to waste, GM's primary dog & pony show (profitible lines) are Caddies and big trucks. Our nation is over a decade older since hybrid production began. Much of that time was spent by GM pooh pooh'ing hybrids & EV's as PR stunts. If things have changed, why did GM re-higher Mr. Lutz ... who is most famous for recently stating that global warming is a "...crock os $h1t ..." . When corporate leadership says that, and says EV's & hybrids are PR stunts (forcing them to "Go PR" too) then what does that say? Leadership like that? ... I just don't know.

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[Fstr911]

Re: "Just because (pre & post banko) GM is headquartered in the U.S. does NOT mean the 'company' is a U.S. company."

Oh really. Imagine that. GM is not a US company anymore. And no one told us taxpayers we were bailing out a foriegn owned company. You would have thought the Chinese union workers would have mentioned something.

Re: “Benefits America? When did GM want to benefit America.”

Ok, with a comment like that I realize I’m dealing with an economics genius here. Sorry, case closed. You win.