Prius plant in Canada causing pollution?

[JimN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Doug @ Jul 2 2007, 09:52 AM) [snapback]471452[/snapback]</div>

He has said and I heard it repeated that the Prius plant puts out more pollution than it is worth buying than a regular car. I don't buy this but where does he get this kind of information? I was giving a Hummer owner a hard time while on vacation and he also said it is better to drive a hummer than a Prius because of the pollution that is created in it's making.

Someone please give me some facts.
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As part of final assembly each Prius is put in a secret room where it is sprinkled with Magic Pixie Dust which absorbs the negative ecological impact of the nickle and chromium used in its manufacture. Toyota will categorically deny this as it is a proprietary process that adds millions of dollars to its bottom line. I know because my cousin is married to a Japanese woman whose family is well placed.

[tripp]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JimN @ Jul 2 2007, 08:15 PM) [snapback]471993[/snapback]</div>

As part of final assembly each Prius is put in a secret room where it is sprinkled with Magic Pixie Dust which absorbs the negative ecological impact of the nickle and chromium used in its manufacture. Toyota will categorically deny this as it is a proprietary process that adds millions of dollars to its bottom line. I know because my cousin is married to a Japanese woman whose family is well placed.
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Given that stainless steal is 8-20% nickel, (or so I've heard) I wonder how much nickel is in a hummer (H2 or H3). It would be pretty funny if there's actually more in one of those vehicles.

[aaf709]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(qbee42 @ Jul 2 2007, 10:03 AM) [snapback]471560[/snapback]</div>

Danny should just put a button on the home page for this thread. It pops up more often than conversations about the weather. What a pile of rubbish.

Tom
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Well, there is a sticky in the Prius and Hybrid News forum.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tripp @ Jul 3 2007, 05:44 PM) [snapback]472637[/snapback]</div>

Given that stainless steal is 8-20% nickel, (or so I've heard) I wonder how much nickel is in a hummer (H2 or H3). It would be pretty funny if there's actually more in one of those vehicles.
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I've wondered that too. It would be pretty funny.

[Jolleyman]

I happened to be flipping through stations and heard that diatribe. First, all Prius drivers are liberal wackos. Second, they are all self-righteous. Third, they are whiners about the environment. He happens to know that anyone driving a Prius is definitely NOT a conservative anything, and furthermore they're ignorant of the "fact" that the Hummer is more environmentally friendly.

But the REALLY funny part was the caller he was talking to said "Where do these people think the electricity comes from that runs their cars? COAL or NUCLEAR POWER! They have to plug them into the walls to recharge!" And because Rush knows all, he readily agreed.

If Rush is right, perhaps I should take a left?

[Godiva]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tripp @ Jul 3 2007, 07:44 PM) [snapback]472637[/snapback]</div>

Given that stainless steal is 8-20% nickel, (or so I've heard) I wonder how much nickel is in a hummer (H2 or H3). It would be pretty funny if there's actually more in one of those vehicles.
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What about chrome? I'm looking at all of the chrome on some of the domestics (GM in particular) and all I can think of is.....Edsel.

I am so disappointed Toyota chose to add chrome to the Prius. My 2005 has very little. I hope when it comes time for me to trade up to a newer design the chrome is gone again.

Isn't the production of chrome not very environmentally friendly?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jolleyman @ Jul 3 2007, 11:11 PM) [snapback]472757[/snapback]</div>

But the REALLY funny part was the caller he was talking to said "Where do these people think the electricity comes from that runs their cars? COAL or NUCLEAR POWER! They have to plug them into the walls to recharge!" And because Rush knows all, he readily agreed.
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LOL!!! So typical. They know absolutely NOTHING about what they're bashing.

I got the power rundown on my local G&E.

Renewable: 7% (a large percentage from biomass & waste-probably local and wind-probably from PalmSprings area) Solar is less than 1%. They really need to work on that.
Coal: 12%
Hydroelectric: 9%
Natural Gas: 53%
Nuclear: 20% (probably from San Onofre)

I know they're looking to increase Solar and reduce the others. They don't produce any of this so these are numbers from who they purchase from. 72% is from individual suppliers.

[tripp]

Idiots... Even if the Prius were and EV and running on pure coal it would still be cleaner than most ICE vehicles.

Yeah, the chrome plating has nickel underneath the 10 µm thick chromium cover. I wonder how much. All of that crap has got to add up. It's probably not very environmentally friendly but I don't know for sure. Google probably has the answer somewhere.

[Tempus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JimN @ Jul 2 2007, 10:15 PM) [snapback]471993[/snapback]</div>

As part of final assembly each Prius is put in a secret room where it is sprinkled with Magic Pixie Dust which absorbs the negative ecological impact of the nickle and chromium used in its manufacture. Toyota will categorically deny this as it is a proprietary process that adds millions of dollars to its bottom line. I know because my cousin is married to a Japanese woman whose family is well placed.
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What's that? You say that during the final assembly of the Prius it is put in a secret room where it is sprinkled with the ground bones of pixies killed by nickle and chromium poisioning?

I thought so.

[zqfmbg]

Prius plant?

At first it was nickel mining and ecological disaster.
Now the Prius is partially assembled in Canada?

Man, makes me feel good to be Canadian.

[Swanny1172]

Toyota buys about 1,000 ton/year of nickel from Inco for use in the Prius. This represents less than one percent of the nickel production at Sudbury (0.75% from the numbers I found). To attribute all of the devastation caused by the smelter to a single customer is misleading. Just like global warming isn’t caused exclusively by Hummers.

In fact, much of the ecological damage that is getting pinned on the Prius was done a long time ago. The Inco Superstack was constructed way back in 1972 and was designed to disperse sulphur gases and other byproducts of the smelting process away from the city itself. Starting in the early 1990s, a major construction effort started to dramatically clean the waste gases before pumping them up the Superstack, removing around 90% of the sulphur dioxide. The upgrades were completed in 1994, and emissions from then on were much reduced. Again, this all took place before the Prius even went into production.

If you really want to zing your friend, make sure you tell him about how GM Canada actually points out the success of the Sudbury reclamation project on their website (link below). Really, one should blame Chicago more than Toyota, as Sudbury’s trees were all cut down in 1871 to help rebuild Chicago after the fire. GM provides telling photos of some of the reclamation from 1979 to present.

http://www.gmcanada.com/inm/gmcanada/engli...aily/Sep22.html