Why driving a Prius is really not enough

[SSimon]

Golly, the moral of this thread.........Don't "f" with a man and his meat!

[efusco]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Jul 18 2007, 12:45 PM) [snapback]481012[/snapback]</div>

Golly, the moral of this thread.........Don't "f" with a man and his meat! [/b]

That's a religion I'd ascribe to!

[excuseMeButt]

Yes, but driving a Prius is at least a part of the solution.

I've been eating chili beans with chips and salsa a lot for lunch but today I had a hamburger. It was really delicious and I'd really hate to give up eating meat and sea food completely but now I feel so guilty and kind of dirty.

I think I'll take a shower.

Nope, can't do that. Uses water.

I think I'll stop procreating. Ummmm too late...got three already.

Can't work in the wood shop...kills trees.

Computing pollutes with toxic metals.

Plastics...don't even mention that word.

Turn the A/C off and sweat to save some electricity and coal.

I'd play some music on my guitar but I really need to restring and strings are metal things forged releasing massive amounts of CO2.

Nothing to do but praise god and write poetry.

Maybe a good war...with spears and machetes...could reduce about half the population.

It sucks but that's a start.

Rome wasn't built (and didn't fall) in a day. So lets start with Prii. And the beans.

Just my $.02

~buttster

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ Jul 18 2007, 01:43 PM) [snapback]481009[/snapback]</div>

Remember....
If GOD didn't want us to eat the animals,
then he wouldn't have made them so damn tasty!!!
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I'd be willing to bet that humans would be pretty tasty if you didn't know what you were eating. Would god want us to eat humans because they are tasty?

:P

~buttster

[skruse]

It is not so much a question of what to eat, but efficiency. It takes approximately 60 calories of energy (grain) to produce one calorie of beef. This is an extremely inefficient, and unsustainable way to produce food. However, 80% of available energy is lost each time you change trophic level (going from grass to cow to human). Humans don't eat grass, but we can eat grain.

Beef, pork and other "production" animals have a disproportional impact. In essence, a lot of energy is lost at each change of trophic level. Humans get very little of the energy that goes into producing cows, sheep, pigs, etc. Animal production produces tremendous amounts of waste which is only beginning to be put to use (bioenergy, composting, soil nutrients).

Solution: become a Localvore - make an effort to eat low on the food chain and within 250 miles of home.

[SSimon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skruse @ Jul 18 2007, 01:10 PM) [snapback]481033[/snapback]</div>

Solution: become a Localvore - make an effort to eat low on the food chain and within 250 miles of home.
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Excellent point that should not be lost in this discussion. One example comes to mind.....is it better for the environment to purchase organic produce that was grown in another country and that requires a huge sum of energy to get here, or to purchase conventionally grown produce that's grown next door?

[priussoris]

not really to the discussion at hand but sorta plays well together, While driving in NJ. a few yrs back we saw a farmer and a honey wagon transfering "the stuff" from the honey wagon ( ie. honey wagon = septic pumper) to a farm sprayer. The farmer then started to spray his corn fields and the odor was tremendous.

We asked around and was told that the corn crop was only used for feed... Now the cows /pigs etc... eat this (fecal) corn and we eat the animals.
somehow it just does not seem right. No wonder we all are getting sicker all the time. The way things are done are just for money, hey it saves money lets do it.

Goes with the Chinese and the cardboard soaked in poison to pose as " dumplings" .


WHAT"S FOR DINNER "BEEF"

[excuseMeButt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Jul 18 2007, 02:20 PM) [snapback]481045[/snapback]</div>

Excellent point that should not be lost in this discussion. One example comes to mind.....is it better for the environment to purchase organic produce that was grown in another country and that requires a huge sum of energy to get here, or to purchase conventionally grown produce that's grown next door?
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Then there's always the question of whether it take more gas to drive to the farmers market and buy locally produced food than it would be to drive to the nearby supermarket and buy food produced non-locally. My Krogers is a 3 mile round trip. The farmers market is a 12 mile round trip. I don't really know the answer to this question but it seems crazy to burn up a lot of gas to buy a few lbs of veggies when I am going to Krogers anyway. Maybe the locals could sell to Krogers but that would likely raise their costs as each store might not have a buyer employed.

Just a thought.

~buttster

[burritos]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Slair @ Jul 18 2007, 11:58 AM) [snapback]480968[/snapback]</div>

For every cow you dont eat, I'll make sure I eat 3. Why do you think animals are here? To be retards and not develop their society? If animals had a purpose other than food, you'd be working next to one.
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Would you eat terry schiavo?

[SSimon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(excuseMeButt @ Jul 18 2007, 01:39 PM) [snapback]481064[/snapback]</div>

but it seems crazy to burn up a lot of gas to buy a few lbs of veggies when I am going to Krogers anyway.

Just a thought.

~buttster
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Buttster (I like saying that), if the produce is coming from another country, the fuel footprint would be a lot less to just drive a couple more miles to get the locally grown stuff. Especially since you're in a Prius. However, I understand convenience is a matter to consider and that's not always practical.

I keep meaning to look into food co-ops whereby you have a monthly charge and pick up a month's supply of produce that's locally grown and organic. Trouble is, you only get what's in season and I can't stand squash.

[excuseMeButt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Jul 18 2007, 02:49 PM) [snapback]481076[/snapback]</div>

if the produce is coming from another country, the fuel footprint would be a lot less to just drive a couple more miles to get the locally grown stuff.[/b]

I would think that this is something that is hard to know for a fact. On the face of it, it seems stupid to pack a bunch of watermelons or lettuce on a plane and fly it thousands of miles but not having any specific knowledge I can't really say that it is. The food industry does it and makes a profit at it.

I do know that it can be more efficient to fly people than for them to drive (even in a Prius) but I don't know the ecomomics of flying veggies. Do you have any specific knowledge that you can share and links to go along with it?

I also know that it is frequently more expensive to buy fruits and veggies at the local farmers market. This may be for other reasons than transportation.

So lemme give you a big "I dunno" on this one.

~buttster

I wish someone would say that eating liver causes climate change. I could easilu quit that.