Jan '08 second coldest in 15 years

[Wildkow]

Originally Posted by icarus

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Whether or not you believe in climate change or not, you have to at least hold out the possibility that it is human caused. (I do!) The shear volume of greenhouse gasses emitted in China and India are staggering. Even if the BULK of the respected scientific community is wrong about the magnitude of the problem (I don't think they are) you have to wonder if the costs of doing nothing is acceptable.

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Icarus

I believe the total human contribution to green house gases during a one year period, compared with all the other green house gases given out by natural causes is .28%.

Wildkow

[fairclge]

Originally Posted by TimBikes

Looks like Jan '08 is the second coldest January in 15 years. Of course, if was the 2nd warmest in 15 years you would have read about it in the papers.

Besides January, it is interesting to note that there is no discernible upward temp. trend for at least the past 75+ months.

Not here in Va Beach... it's been in the 60 and 70 jan/feb. but we still get the 30's too. but the temp is all over the place.

[F8L]

Originally Posted by Wildkow

I believe the total human contribution to green house gases during a one year period, compared with all the other green house gases given out by natural causes is .28%.

Wildkow

That is a few billion tons too much too isn't it? Yes, it is.

Think of it as a bathtub. You start with a bathtub who's level flucuates slightly. Sometimes the tub's water level is rising from too much flow and others the flow is exceeded by the drain. Then you start adding additional water, just a little compared to the main flow of the faucette but you are adding water. Now start partially covering the drain. The bath water will continue to rise. Cover the drain some more while adding even more water. Eventually you will overflow unless you unplug the drain and stop adding water to the system.

I think many people do not understand these systems enough to comment on them and as such make comments like Kow did and assume that since our portion of the pollution is so small that it cannot have any harmful impact. Bifurcation points or tipping points don't work that way at all.

[F8L]

Originally Posted by TimBikes

Interesting that January 2008 also had the largest areal Northern Hemisphere snow cover since 1966.

I don't see that as too interesting. Wasn't that predicted? Snowy weather is not so out of reason. Now how long that snow sticks around is what's important. Bringing moisture laden air farther north is exactly what is to be expected when you have warmer equatorial temps and create more evaporation.

[malorn]

Originally Posted by F8L

I don't see that as too interesting. Wasn't that predicted? Snowy weather is not so out of reason. Now how long that snow sticks around is what's important. Bringing moisture laden air farther north is exactly what is to be expected when you have warmer equatorial temps and create more evaporation.

So what weather pattern in the northern hemisphere would not support man-made global warming?

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Wildkow

I believe the total human contribution to green house gases during a one year period, compared with all the other green house gases given out by natural causes is .28%.

Wildkow

Attribution PLEEEZE!

A big bubaboo with me about the web, and sites like this, is the proffering of information as fact without ANY attempt at attribution!

It is a very different statement to say " I think that the sky is blue" as opposed to "the sky IS blue" and "The sky is blue because,,,,(See Physics textbook so ad so page so and so).

I too am guilty of such opinion guised as fact, but if we are going to further the discussion and indeed further the truth I would hope that we all can back up our opinions with at least a bit of attribution.

Icarus

[icarus]

(I tried to edit, but it wouldn't work!)

As a bit of an apology to Kildkow,,, you did state "I believe,,," so indeed you state an opinion rather than present it as fact. My plea stands none the less for all of us , (including me).

I would however question where and how you came to that belief.

Icarus

[F8L]

Originally Posted by malorn

So what weather pattern in the northern hemisphere would not support man-made global warming?

Weather is noise. I'd base climatological opinions on trends of accumulated weather data. This is why I do not make comments regarding localized or current weather.

[TimBikes]

Originally Posted by F8L

I don't see that as too interesting. Wasn't that predicted? Snowy weather is not so out of reason. Now how long that snow sticks around is what's important. Bringing moisture laden air farther north is exactly what is to be expected when you have warmer equatorial temps and create more evaporation.

I agree - I posted in response to Godiva who had commented about the unusually warm weather in San Diego on a day last week. Of course today, they got nailed by a near-record snow storm. But weather is weather. Climate is climate.

[stumpy_c]

Originally Posted by malorn

I thought the climate change problem AL gore was describing in his movie was warming? So if the month's temperatures are warmer it is from AGW and if they are colder it is from AGW?

Dude...don't you know that global warming can also cause global COOLING (ya know, cause it causes everything else)?