Jan '08 second coldest in 15 years

[TimBikes]

Looks like Jan '08 is the second coldest January in 15 years. Of course, if was the 2nd warmest in 15 years you would have read about it in the papers.

Besides January, it is interesting to note that there is no discernible upward temp. trend for at least the past 75+ months.

[hyo silver]

Tim, you wouldn't be suggesting that a season's weather has anything to do with long term climate, would you?
Or that 'colder' and 'climate change' don't go together?

[TimBikes]

Originally Posted by hyo silver

Tim, you wouldn't be suggesting that a season's weather has anything to do with long term climate, would you?
Or that 'colder' and 'climate change' don't go together?

I'm suggesting that 75+ months of stable / decreasing global temperatures are a bit odd, given the dramatic increase in CO2 over this period. One month does not make a trend, but 75+ months is beginning to look a bit odd.

BTW, I agree that "colder" and "climate change" can absolutely go together. However, based on the IPCC's models, "Colder" and "CO2 Increase" do not.

The next 3-5 years will be interesting. If temperatures continue as flat to declining, someone's gonna have some explaining to do. But I'll admit, there is no guarantee of this - only time will tell.

[tripp]

Where did last jan fall? For us here in CO last jan was consistently colder than this year, but I seem to recall folks back east wondering where winter went.

[TimBikes]

Originally Posted by tripp

Where did last jan fall? For us here in CO last jan was consistently colder than this year, but I seem to recall folks back east wondering where winter went.

Overall warmer than normal for most latitudes.

[hobbit]

a reference timeframe of 15 years didn't really work for
the dinosaurs, did it?
.
_H*

[malorn]

Originally Posted by hyo silver

Tim, you wouldn't be suggesting that a season's weather has anything to do with long term climate, would you?
Or that 'colder' and 'climate change' don't go together?

I thought the climate change problem AL gore was describing in his movie was warming? So if the month's temperatures are warmer it is from AGW and if they are colder it is from AGW?

[JimN]

[quote=TimBikes;555084]Overall warmer than normal for most latitudes.


Last month NJ exported Winter to NH.

[MegansPrius]

Originally Posted by TimBikes

Looks like Jan '08 is the second coldest January in 15 years. Of course, if was the 2nd warmest in 15 years you would have read about it in the papers.

Besides January, it is interesting to note that there is no discernible upward temp. trend for at least the past 75+ months.

As the person who runs the site you quote states:

REPLY: I agree and point out to you that no where in the story does it say anything about it being significant to climate change, in fact the one connection made was to current weather events that have happened around the globe in the past month. The other biggest significance is it’s link to La Nina. Thats why the title above the La Nina SST anomaly picture says “Probable cause - Much Grande La Nina”.
I think you read something into the article that wasn’t there.

I.E., US temperatures ≠ Global Climate.

The confusion of local weather with global climate is the oldest sophistry in the anti-global warming book. I remember reading newspaper editorials ten years ago saying there couldn't be global warming because it snowed in the winter. Wait, you mean the words "Global Climate" don't mean my local weather?

[qbee42]

Originally Posted by malorn

I thought the climate change problem AL gore was describing in his movie was warming? So if the month's temperatures are warmer it is from AGW and if they are colder it is from AGW?

Global warming models predict extremes, both warmer and colder. Some places get warmer while others cool off, just as some places get wetter while others dry out. It's not as simple as people would like it to be, but then, if it really were that simple, there wouldn't be any argument.

Tom