Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age

[Flying White Dutchman]

maybe the melting of the ice caps get the temp of the sea lower and therefore interrupts the sea deeper channels that go around the world en distribute heat and cold?

(hope anyone with the nohow of this can put it in better English.sorry)

and this maybe is natures way of preventing a real overheating period of the planet.
so instead of heat ( maybe for a few years ) there Will be a ice age..

[tripp]

No worries mate. Your (insert native language here) is no doubt better than mine. I can talk to infants in german and french, but they need to be particularly dim-witted or I'm in over my head.

[tripp]

Originally Posted by F8L

As a very prominant figure in anthropology he held much sway.

The same sort of thing happened in American health/diabetes research. It probably happens all the time. The true usually gets out sooner or later though.

[F8L]

Originally Posted by Flying White Dutchman

and this maybe is natures way of preventing a real overheating period of the planet.
so instead of heat ( maybe for a few years ) there Will be a ice age..

Historically the earth has been very hot and very cold and seems to swing up and down in temps fairly drastically. These wide swings are punctuated by fairly stable times similar to what we are currently experciencing. So far the data is showing that the earth has experienced drastic changes in global average temperatures over a very short period of time. I'm not syaing this is what is going to happen again but it is very possible and in my opinion a guarantee that it will do so again at some point in the future.

The earth plays this little balancing act due primarily to the life on this planet which is why more people are starting to like the "GAIA theory" (not to say the earth is sentient in some way). If not for all the bacteria, photosynthesising organisms, insects, etc. we would likely not recognize the planet nor would we be alive.

[F8L]

Originally Posted by tripp

The same sort of thing happened in American health/diabetes research. It probably happens all the time. The true usually gets out sooner or later though.

I'm sure it does. It's sad but it seems no different than any other sector or life.

[Godiva]

Originally Posted by F8L

Historically the earth has been very hot and very cold and seems to swing up and down in temps fairly drastically. These wide swings are punctuated by fairly stable times similar to what we are currently experciencing. So far the data is showing that the earth has experienced drastic changes in global average temperatures over a very short period of time. I'm not syaing this is what is going to happen again but it is very possible and in my opinion a guarantee that it will do so again at some point in the future.

I think the point is not to deny this has every happened or will ever happen again.

It's not to be an active participant in rushing the process along.

If the earth is going to heat up or cool down....let's not bring it on a few centuries before it's normal due date.

[TimBikes]

Originally Posted by Godiva

It's about climate change.

Climate

Change

Clearly it is too early to tell whether the now quiet sun will remain that way and what effect that will have on global temperatures. There are some interesting temperature trends at present and some are speculating that things like PDO are shifting to a cool regime. We will all just have to wait and see - there is no guarantee temps will go down, or up.

In the meantime -- with respect -- I find the "it's all about climate change" comments less than compelling. For years all we have heard is about how the earth is burning up, we're overheating due to "global warming" caused by man, the ice caps are melting, etc.

Funny now how the story is changing. The alarmists are starting to sound a bit like Bush on Iraq -- shifting their rationales, explanations and stories as the conditions around them change.

[F8L]

Originally Posted by TimBikes

Funny now how the story is changing. The alarmists are starting to sound a bit like Bush on Iraq -- shifting their rationales, explanations and stories as the conditions around them change.

If sun spot activity does indeed decrease (I'll wait to see more studies on this) then how does that change explainations behind the effects of CO2 and climate change? It doesn't, it merely means a significant factor has changed within the system and we should expect different results.

If this would be deemed as an excuse to stop worrrying about CO2 then we are in a sad state indeed because who is to say when sun spot intensity would return to "normal" or increase beyond our normal observations?

[Alric]

Climate change in graphs:

Atmospheric CO2 concentrations:


Global temperature averages:




Glacier retreat calibrated temperatures


Solar cycle variations:


Any questions?

[amped]

Typical questions would be: Show the methodology used to derive the data, how, where, when (season), and who did the measurements, what was their background and qualifications, who funded the study, etc.

Also:

"The conference will feature internationally recognized speakers from Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, and Europe. Carbon Sense has registered 10 delegates from Australia and New Zealand, and several other individual delegates and scientists from Australia and New Zealand will attend.


For more information on the conference see: http://www.heartland.org/NewYork08/newyork08.cfm

The chairman of Carbon Sense, Mr. Viv Forbes, said the conference would highlight the fact that a large number of eminently qualified scientists all over the world are rejecting the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) proposition that human emissions of carbon dioxide have caused or will cause dangerous global warming."

Global Warming to Take a Cold Shower in New York

And:


"It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.

[...]

I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. "

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