Diesel fumes stresses your brain

[The Tramp]

Fact is - Europe is trying to get rid of diesels and USA wants to start with them .

Even if catalyzed diesels still produce fine particles of soot (PM10).

PM10 irritates the breathing apparatus and lungs, causing asma on some patients.

Some diesels have DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) to hold back the PM10. when full, the drives has to go in a highway, keep the car above 2000 rpm for 10 minutes so that the system can burn the PM10 in PM1 and PM2.5 (much finer soot). If the driver is stuck in town and does not obey the enging will go in protection mode and the user has to visit a dealer to have his filter cleaned out and his oil changed bcause diesel and soot entered the lube system.

There are reports that this can happen every 500 km.

These polluants are not yet monitored but it is proven that such fine soot goes past the lungs and deposits in the internal orgars (kidney, liver, etc.).

The day that this minute particles are monitored I'm supe that diesels will be banned altogether.

[ShellyT]

Those extra fine, possibly more harmful, particles being put out by a filtered diesel are also being put out by gasoline engines. They aren't soot free.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by The Tramp

These polluants are not yet monitored but it is proven that such fine soot goes past the lungs and deposits in the internal orgars (kidney, liver, etc.).

The day that this minute particles are monitored I'm supe that diesels will be banned altogether.

As ShellyT has already pointed out, gasoline vehicles also produce particulates, it is just that particulates smaller than P10 are not measured in ECE, CARB, or EPA emissions testing. So if diesel will be banned for particulates <P10 then gasoline vehicles will be as well.

The experiment conducted by the Dutch scientists does nothing to defend the exhaust from gasoline vehicles. All the study proves is that breathing diesel exhaust fumes is unhealthy. I don't think you will find many people that will argue against that finding.

I also suspect that you will have a equally unhealthy result if you where to repeat the experiment with exhaust from a gasoline vehicle. The difference may be that they can't because the amount of CO produced in gasoline exhaust may kill or severely injure the test subjects.

[tripp]

Hey, jhinton's back. Good to see you again. I see that you're in Birmingham now. Did you move? It's always good to have you to balance out the anti diesel crowd.

[Bill Merchant]

OK, imagine yourself as an experimental subject.

Scientists put ten volunteers in a room filled with exhaust from a diesel engine ... for an hour and found that after just 30 minutes brain wave patterns displayed a ‘stress’ response.

I would exhibit a stress response in a lot less that 30 minutes if closed in a room with diesel fumes.

[dogfriend]

I honestly believe that one of the worst (if not the absolute worst) occupations would be as a toll-collector at the (Oakland -S.F.) Bay Bridge. After 4 hours, you would have breathed a lifetimes worth of soot (diesel and gasoline).

[JSH]

Originally Posted by tripp

Hey, jhinton's back. Good to see you again. I see that you're in Birmingham now. Did you move? It's always good to have you to balance out the anti diesel crowd.

I have a fan club!

I never really left, but I've been quite busy with the new job so I haven't been posting nearly as much as I did last summer when I was blissfully unemployed.

Yes, I moved to the Birmingham area last May. I actually live in Helena, a crappy little suburban town about 15 miles south of Birmingham. Helena somehow managed to get listed as one of the 100 best places to live by Money magazine. I now know that Money knows nothing about what makes a good place to live.!

I try to give some information to balance out the outdated diesel information that is presented so often here on Prius Chat. However, I'm getting pretty tired of repeating myself every couple of months. Maybe I should save a generic post?

[Flying White Dutchman]

Originally Posted by richard schumacher

Catalytic converters will fix this. Lead in gasoline was much more harmful: it's why people voted Republican all those years.

we don't have lead in gas for 10 years now.. its bean replaced with a replacement something

Originally Posted by The Tramp

Fact is - Europe is trying to get rid of diesels and USA wants to start with them .

Even if catalyzed diesels still produce fine particles of soot (PM10).

PM10 irritates the breathing apparatus and lungs, causing asma on some patients.

Some diesels have DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) to hold back the PM10. when full, the drives has to go in a highway, keep the car above 2000 rpm for 10 minutes so that the system can burn the PM10 in PM1 and PM2.5 (much finer soot). If the driver is stuck in town and does not obey the enging will go in protection mode and the user has to visit a dealer to have his filter cleaned out and his oil changed bcause diesel and soot entered the lube system.

There are reports that this can happen every 500 km.

These polluants are not yet monitored but it is proven that such fine soot goes past the lungs and deposits in the internal orgars (kidney, liver, etc.).

The day that this minute particles are monitored I'm supe that diesels will be banned altogether.

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yes i also hope diesels will be banned.

only for the fact when i drive my bike i really don't like to be behind a diesel ( even a modern one ) it really stinks

i even prefer to be behind a 1990 gas engine. its less stressful on my lungs. ( with less stressful i mean that i can feel less breathing problems )

Originally Posted by ShellyT

Those extra fine, possibly more harmful, particles being put out by a filtered diesel are also being put out by gasoline engines. They aren't soot free.

but are gas engine not less soot producing then diesel?
and if ty try to make diesels particles smaller with part filters will there not be more smaller part. in the diesel exhaust!

Originally Posted by jhinton

As ShellyT has already pointed out, gasoline vehicles also produce particulates, it is just that particulates smaller than P10 are not measured in ECE, CARB, or EPA emissions testing. So if diesel will be banned for particulates <P10 then gasoline vehicles will be as well.

The experiment conducted by the Dutch scientists does nothing to defend the exhaust from gasoline vehicles. All the study proves is that breathing diesel exhaust fumes is unhealthy. I don't think you will find many people that will argue against that finding.

I also suspect that you will have a equally unhealthy result if you where to repeat the experiment with exhaust from a gasoline vehicle. The difference may be that they can't because the amount of CO produced in gasoline exhaust may kill or severely injure the test subjects.

so what your telling is that the CO of a gas engine is that higher that it Will kill and the diesel so much lower.
don't think that deferents is that high really

do you have numbers?

[ShellyT]

but are gas engine not less soot producing then diesel?

I believe they are, but I didn't have much luck finding numbers for comparison. I did find a study between gasoline and natural gas or propane. The actual gaseous state gas was better.

and if ty try to make diesels particles smaller with part filters will there not be more smaller part. in the diesel exhaust!

That's one of the ironies of regulation. To reduce the particles in diesel exhaust, the manufacturers wanted to put a basic filter in. Something like the air intake filter. CARB required that emission equipment be maintance free though. Thus the particle filters that burn the particles into nanoparticles. So instead of a system that removed the particles from the air, with some work on the owners part, the law gave us a system that made the pollution worse.