Poll: What do you know/think about "Peak Oil"

[dragonfly]

(1) EROEI on nuclear is much lower than that of windmills, and just a little better than photovoltaic.
(2) Deconcentration of energy sources (from power plants of any kind to local windmills or roof-top PV systems) tends to strengthen the infrastructure and reduce blackouts.
(3) Windmills and PV systems don't have all that nasty nuclear waste to deal with.

So while I agree that Nuclear can be part of the solution, it should only be explored when wind and solar (and similar) options have been exhausted, and only after we figure out how to safely store all the nuclear waste, including what we've already accumulated.

[FL_Prius_Driver]

Originally Posted by dragonfly

(1) EROEI on nuclear is much lower than that of windmills, and just a little better than photovoltaic.
(2) Deconcentration of energy sources (from power plants of any kind to local windmills or roof-top PV systems) tends to strengthen the infrastructure and reduce blackouts.
(3) Windmills and PV systems don't have all that nasty nuclear waste to deal with.....

Very good & accurate summary, but it might help to have some clarification for others that read.

1) EROEI Impact - Banks, Utilities, and other energy financing organization are not financing Nuclear Power Plants since they will make more money, much sooner, on high EROEI plants. This is already forcing many utilities (including FL) to abandon nuclear planning and substitute renewable plants.

2) Deconcentration Impact - Sustainable plants can often be very close to the cities or industries that need the power. Vast savings on infrastructure have resulted in this trend increasing very fast....with the demand for BIG power plants getting undercut.

3) .....not to overlook that the transportation cost of getting the 'fuel' to a sustainable plant is mighty low!

[hill]

Originally Posted by dragonfly

In addition to reducing population.

And how is population reduction a solution? After all, in a credit based global economy, it requires more & more & more buyers to sustain its existence. The next generation (more & more people) have to buy all our crap (stocks, properties, businesses, etc) in order for us to cash in on its value. Fewer people mean we have to sell the stock for 1/2 the value. So now what do you do, with (say, for example) only a fraction of the populaiton to buy the baby boomer's goods.

I used to think P.O. was 'the issue' though actually it's just a piece ... maybe less than 30%. Cheep energy is / was what our global economy is / was built on. Now that it's fading, and trillions of debt weigh in ... wow. I sugggest listening to the following 20 elements, which may take a bit of time ... but afterward one's prospective will likely change:
The Crash Course | Chris Martenson