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My Car: 2007 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 6 | Harmful in what way? How would it be harmful to reduce CO2 emissions? |
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My Car: Other Hybrid Package: N/A Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | Since, as I wrote, I didn't see the disclaimer he quoted, could he be referring to another article? Or, could you highlight the header and disclaimer in the articles I quoted and linked? Also, tripp's link addresses only one of two articles I quoted and linked. Which one? Does that mean the other is undisputed? Catching on yet? |
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My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #6 Touring Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0 | Yeah, I caught the desperation in your post. |
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My Car: 2007 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 6 | In the Editors Comments, he said they invited papers arguing both for and against the IPCC conclusions. I noticed that you gave the link for the paper submitted arguing against the IPCC conclusions, but you forgot to link the paper submitted arguing for the IPCC conclusions. Here it is: APS Physics | FPS | A Tutorial on the Basic Physics of Climate Change Quote:
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My Car: 2005 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 2 | Quote:
This is one of the main reasons we need prosperous clean-energy industries. We need to have some entity that can offer enough counter-bribes to our politicians to offset the bribes from the fossil-fuel industries. Sorry, substitute campaign contribution for bribe. Just to put some numbers on this, US recoverable coal reserves are estimated at about 500 billion short tons. The price of coal varies widely by type, but $40/ton is a mid-range value at present (both figures from US DOE). That's $20 trillion worth of coal, that somebody owns right now, in a manner of speaking. About 1.3x the US annual GDP. Annual production is about 0.3 billion short tons. If we put a plan in place to phase out coal in 20 years, the value of that 20 year's production is about $0.25 trillion. Basically, current coal owners would lose 99% of their wealth under a plan to phase out coal in 20 years. And, looking at the numbers, we can't afford to buy them out. So, yeah, hey're going to fight this any way they can. | |
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My Car: 2005 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 2 | On a further note, this is like onto the Nth time that some anti-global-warming piece has been posted here in a way that partially or completely distorts even the facts of the piece, let alone the underlying science. I wish you deniers would at least do a little homework before posting. Maybe present all the facts. Maybe even read the entire article before posting it. It may be satisfying to post this junk but it's a waste of time to have to track down the actual facts. Is this a baseless rant? Off the top of my head, I can recall the "Giant Volcanoes Under the Ice Cap" piece, where the scientists involved actually said, in the cited article, that the undersea vents had nothing to do with the melting of the icecap. (Which, BTW, at last look, does not look like it's going to melt all the way to the pole anyways.) Then there was the article on projected European cooling, where once again the scientists involved said that their models matched mainstream climate models over the longer term, they just diverged on the order of one decade. In other words, the research actually confirmed the mainstream view of global warming. Then we have this one, where if you follow megansprius links, you see that the guy who wrote the editorial, which was clearly labeled as the opinion of the author only, sued Gore over "An Inconvenient Truth". Oh, you mean those sorts of facts? Yeah, I mean those sorts of facts -- like the fact that the title of the thread is just plain wrong. FWIW, here's my take on it, from years in the health services research industry: If you see people scraping the bottom of the barrel, that usually means the barrel's empty. |
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