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You've seen the report regarding SMOG levels reducing precipitation in the Sierra Nevada on the CA.Gov site correct? I'll add it in as soon as I find the link again. It's pretty sad. Here is another on Ca and Climate Change concerns.Regarding climate change, water and California's critical reliance on it: Quote:
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Friends: 11 | The Powerpoint presentation just reinforces what we can already see happening: less snowpack, drier conditions, more wildfires. Thanks, I think. Its kinda depressing because it looks as though it will get worse even if we stopped polluting right now. |
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Friends: 35 | If that depresses you then don't ever read the Millenium Ecosystem Assessment report I always post. Haha |
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Friends: 0 | This stuff is being repeated on the MSM. Kudlow was all over it on his program tonight. When he said that I was like , "Damn about time". Serves me right for believing what I see on TV. That is some serious crap reporting. |
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First of all, Oreskes is a professor in the dept. of History at UCSD, not a climatologist. Secondly, her "paper" was an opinion piece, not a peer reviewed article. Third, "On 15 December 2004, she [Oreskes] admitted that there was indeed a serious mistake in her Science essay." Basically, she missed about 11,000 papers in her "comprehensive search". Fourth, of the 928 papers she did happen to include, "only 13 (or 0.1%) explicitly endorse the 'consensus view'." Looks like maybe she had a problem with the decimal point. See link. | |
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"Dr Madhav L Khandekar is a former Research Scientist from Environment Canada where he worked for about 25 years. Khandekar holds M.Sc degree in Statistics from India and M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in Meteorology from USA. Khandekar has been in the fields of atmosphere/ocean/climate for over 49 years and has published over 120 papers, reports, book reviews, scientific commentaries etc. He has published over 40 peer-reviewed papers in various international Journals and authored a book on ocean surface wave analysis and modeling, published by Springer-Verlag in 1989. Khandekar is presently on the editorial board of the Journal Natural Hazards (Netherlands) and is a former editor of the Journal Climate Research ( Germany). He is also an expert reviewer for the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) Climate Change Documents (AR4) to be published in 2007." Here is what he found... "This Document has examined 69 peer-reviewed papers out of a much larger number that have appeared in various international Journals in the last six years. These papers cover a wide range of topics pertaining to the present debate on the GW science. Most of the papers listed above have questioned the present view of the GW science and when taken together, these papers and many others not listed here provide an emerging view of the science of global warming & climate change which is at odds with the prevailing view." I'm not saying he is "right" and Oreske's wrong (though arguably he is much more qualified than a history professor). What I'm saying is that there is still much to learn and a great deal of uncertainty in climate science. To characterize the discussion as "settled" (as per Algore) does severe injustice to a large body of evidence to the contrary. But you don't want to hear anything contrary to your belief set, do you Richard? Last edited by TimBikes; 07-18-2008 at 08:08 PM. | |
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But trying to discuss it with someone that has "CUT CO2" on their license plate is like arguing against the existence of God with a priest. Thankfully, psycologists don't call what you have -- or for that matter, what a true "denier" has -- a "mental deficit". They call it "belief". Last edited by TimBikes; 07-18-2008 at 08:26 PM. | |
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It's pretty sad. 









