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Old 07-22-2008, 05:24 PM   #11
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How 'bout you just find some real science. Let's start there. Peer review doesn't necessarily mean a damn thing. An acquaintance of mine who's a big dog at NREL was telling me how shocking the peer review process can be. He was really surprised at some of the drivel that was "peer reviewed" (this was with regards to Solar PV research, not climate research). That doesn't mean that all peer reviewed papers are shite, not by a long shot. But it also doesn't mean that they're all good either. Then there's the whole group think aspect that can pervade any group of people and scientists are no different.

As I've pointed out before, Jan Hendrik Schon is a great example of peer review gone bad..... Temporariliy that is. They eventually caught up with his fraudulent research claims.

As has been stated, peer review is not the end all be all of evidence but it does provide a damn good bench mark. One must really consider what type of research is being showcased and who is doing the reviewing. IE a paper on the geology of the mid-Atlantic ridge should be considered suspect when reviewed by the International Journal of Medicine.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:34 PM   #12
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... [SIC] a paper on the geology of the mid-Atlantic ridge should be considered suspect when reviewed by the International Journal of Medicine.
True, dat.
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True, dat.
Ack! You[SIC]'d me! I need to start checking my posts before hitting submit.
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Old 07-23-2008, 03:46 PM   #14
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Climate Extremism: the Real Threat to Civilization


A sample of experts' comments about the science of "An Inconvenient Truth":
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You can forget that last one.

Sample. By a mechanical engineer who writes freelance for an indepentent news organization. No indication of whether the sampling was random or they were chosen to support a particular point of view. In other words....completely useless.

Second is also Canada Free Press.

And so is the first.

If this was for a paper for my class you get a "D" for citations. You used three from the same source and you didn't evaluate for bias. "F" would be for failing to provide any citations at all.
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Old 07-23-2008, 04:27 PM   #16
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What you've got above is energy-industry propaganda.

Tim Ball and Tom Harris, the writers of your articles above, both work for the "Natural Resources Stewardship Project"
Natural Resources Stewardship Project - SourceWatch
NRSP Controlled by Energy Lobbyists | DeSmogBlog

You've digested the propaganda of the oil companies and are disseminating it in just the way they like! Cause hey, $4.00 a gallon isn't enough to pay for gas.

If you're curious as to how the opinions you've been fed were designed, you might try reading:
Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco’s Tactics to Manufacture Uncertainty on Climate Science
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If there is such thing as Hell I believe people like Tim Ball and Fred Singer will have a special place set aside for them. lol
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