Man Based Global Warming....

[Alric]

I wonder if you were so militant about government oppression during the previous administration....

[icarus]

For these kind of people,, every question boils down too one answer,, regardless of the reality. At their core,, they are selfish,, and they above anything else,, don't like to be told what they "can or cannot due". They have little or no regard for public good. "I should be able to belch all kinds of Toxic shit, because the constitution says I got freedom". The reason that so many global warming deniers fall into this camp is they don't want to pay the price for their actions.

They share this with the Timothy McVeigh's, the Rick Perry's and the Todd Palin's of the world. (See also the Alaska independence party for those that have forgotten)

Some of this come from the basic greed of not wanting to pay for anything,, some from the notion that because the "govment" wouldn't let me build a belching smoke stack, they stole from me. Much is rooted in a deep seated racism,, having been exacerbated by such things as voting rights acts, anti-lynching laws,,other equal rights acts both federal and local.

It carries on now in anti-immigrant, anti gay, anti-islam, anti anything that might appear "take mine". My kind of patriotism is to speak out against such people!

Happy 4th of July!

[freo-1]

Originally Posted by Shawn Clark

On the contrary I need only compare their record of prognostication with the economic performance of their ideas and claims. They have failed miserably as has supply side economics.

It's hilarious that you conservative clowns consider the market the ultimate arbiter...up until it gives you a massive FAIL as a score. And with the right wing tendency toward Iranian style heavy handedness and religious law it's doubly amusing that you would bring that nation up.

Well, since you have not posted one FACT supporting your side of the argument, you resort to name calling, which is sure sign you have nothing of substance to bring to the table. Hell, Al Franken IS a clown by trade , and now has managed to steal a Senate seat.

Your creditability on this is ZERO!!

[freo-1]

Originally Posted by icarus

For these kind of people,, every question boils down too one answer,, regardless of the reality. At their core,, they are selfish,, and they above anything else,, don't like to be told what they "can or cannot due". They have little or no regard for public good. "I should be able to belch all kinds of Toxic shit, because the constitution says I got freedom". The reason that so many global warming deniers fall into this camp is they don't want to pay the price for their actions.

They share this with the Timothy McVeigh's, the Rick Perry's and the Todd Palin's of the world. (See also the Alaska independence party for those that have forgotten)

Some of this come from the basic greed of not wanting to pay for anything,, some from the notion that because the "govment" wouldn't let me build a belching smoke stack, they stole from me. Much is rooted in a deep seated racism,, having been exacerbated by such things as voting rights acts, anti-lynching laws,,other equal rights acts both federal and local.

It carries on now in anti-immigrant, anti gay, anti-islam, anti anything that might appear "take mine". My kind of patriotism is to speak out against such people!

Happy 4th of July!

And just where the hell do you get off anointing yourself as the shrink around here?

Your statements show a lack of education and understanding. The left is famous for name calling and demeaning anyone who disagrees with your point of view. You have fallen into that trap, and same with Shawn, NO FACTS to back up your rants! (So, what else is new?).

FYI, I have served this country in the Armed Forces for 22 plus years on long and arduous deployments protecting your rights. The least you could do is afford some level of courtesy regarding the responsibilities of government to the community that is America. I resent your generalizations on selfishness. Funny thing is, many on the right accuse the left of the same things you accuse the right of.

The government does not owe ANYONE a living, mate! They owe us a opportunity to succeed or fail, and provide a basic safety net for those that need it (which does not include illegals, mate).

Lastly, I'll leave you with a British proverb:

If you are not a socialist at 30, you have no heart. However, if you are still a socialist at 50, you have no head.

[icarus]

While I thank you for your service,,,I am not sure that our choice of where to deploy our military in the last generation has done much "to protect our rights". This is through no fault of the average soldier.

I didn't anoint myself anything, and I am not acting as shrink to anyone thank you very much. On one point we agree,,,neither the left nor the right have a lock on hypocrisy.

I was merely pointing out that we fought a civil war over the issue of succession. The rants of the far right,,ala Rick Perry, the Alaska Independence Party, and indeed Timothy McVeigh sound a lot like the rants of Youfoura etc.

As for your "basic safety net", I would argue there are ever increasing hole in what is at best a pretty poor net. Your are right,, now one owes us a living,, but the mark of compassion is caring somewhat for those that have less. I believe we measure ourselves by how we treat the least amongst us.

As for "illegals" . My native ancestors might have something to say about your "legality",, unless instead of being your "mate" I'm your cous'! (If you don't get the reference,,,)

Icarus

[Shawn Clark]

Originally Posted by freo-1

Your creditability on this is ZERO!!

If that were the case then yours would be less than zero...perhaps titled 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Funny thing about the military conservatives, they have no problem getting all sorts of benefits for their service (benefits extending to their families)...sucking at the govt. teat from the taxpayers as it were, but when one talks of providing some of the same services to others it is an "entitlement." Same for conservative politicians.

Had an argument with a clown bitching about the civilians taking shelter in an old military shelter during Katrina. He seems to have been under the mistaken impression of what serving means.

It would be great if we lived in a country where employers provided decent health benefits and retirement. That has pretty much disappeared for all except the executive class that gets at least 10 times as much compensation as their performance warrants.

[robbyr2]

They owe us a opportunity to succeed or fail, and provide a basic safety net for those that need it

So, everyone who fails deserves it? Who decides what a "basic safety net" is? Who decides who need that net?

I hate to tell you that your party doesn't really believe that part about the basic safety net any longer. It's pretty interesting listening to the Christian right creationists talking economics like a Darwinist.

[icarus]

Additionally, While we don't have a great history treating our returning vets with great respect (at least since WWII) (I think it is really an issue with the "righteousness" of the cause), we also don't treat others who serve with much respect either. For example,, fire fighters, police officers, teachers,, nurses, nursing home workers, public works workers,, and on and on.

So while I think our current vets deserve the respect that goes with their service,, let's not forget what has gotten us in to this mess in the first place! And let's remember countless others who go about their lives with quiet dignity,, especially when the wheels fall off.

Icarus

[freo-1]

Originally Posted by Shawn Clark

Funny thing about the military conservatives, they have no problem getting all sorts of benefits for their service (benefits extending to their families)...sucking at the govt. teat from the taxpayers as it were, but when one talks of providing some of the same services to others it is an "entitlement." Same for conservative politicians.

Had an argument with a clown bitching about the civilians taking shelter in an old military shelter during Katrina. He seems to have been under the mistaken impression of what serving means.

Where in the hell do get off complaining about Military personnel? At least they have GIVEN back to the country (often at great sacrifice to their own personal life).

The fact that people disagree about the role of government in no way gives you the right to slander anyone who disagrees with your views.

We know at least on Democrat is a clown by trade, and now he stole an election right into the Senate.

I think everyone should be made to serve in the Armed Forces for a two year stint after high school, and give back to this country. Perhaps there would be less complaining from all these socialists.

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by freo-1

I think everyone should be made to serve in the Armed Forces for a two year stint after high school, and give back to this country. Perhaps there would be less complaining from all these socialists.

To hell with individual freedom! That'll show those hippies to love democracy!