Man Based Global Warming....

[thepolarcrew]

Originally Posted by tripp

Meanwhile, here in CO we could hit 80F tomorrow. The high today is 70F. I think we're setting record highs here.

Have been seriously thinking of moving to where you are at.

Wouldn't be so bad if the price of land and properties weren't so high. We were there to visit a couple years ago and a dump was going for about 170K

I think the population is starting to get out of hand too?

[malorn]

I still don't understand, the raw data shows a cooling ocean but after some "corrections" by scientists who have much to lose by a cooling ocean, it is found to be warming? Is Dr Hansen somehow involved?

[MegansPrius]

Originally Posted by malorn

Even on the graph you show the data from the xbt's shows a cooling ocean. Why is that whenever any of these organizations do a "correction" it supports their hypothesis? Where did the data before the xbt's come from?

If you're curious, read the article. The link is right there in my post.

[TimBikes]

Originally Posted by MegansPrius

More news out today:

Press report (BBC):

New evidence on Antarctic warming
The continent of Antarctica is warming up in step with the rest of the world, according to a new analysis.


Scientists say data from satellites and weather stations indicate a warming of about 0.6C over the last 50 years.

I don't have access to the original article, but apparently this is a bit inaccurate (as I suspected since the BBC article did not provide any trending charts).

Pielke has commented here: "However, even a cursory view of Figure 2 shows that since the late 1990s, the region has been cooling in their analysis in this region. The paper would be more balanced if they presented this result, even if they cannot explain why."

As he notes, much of the warming took place prior to the 1980s. So to suggest that the Antarctic is presently "warming" is a bit much, don't you think?

He also asks " How do the authors reconcile the conclusions in their paper with the cooler than average long term sea surface temperature anomalies off of the coast of Antarctica? [see
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomnight.1.15.2009.gif].
These cool anomalies have been there for at least several years. This cool region is also undoubtedly related to the above average Antarctic sea ice areal coverage that has been monitored over recent years; see
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg].

[malorn]

Originally Posted by MegansPrius

If you're curious, read the article. The link is right there in my post.

I am no scientist, but to me it looks like they are doing whatever is necessary to explain away the raw data.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by malorn

I still don't understand, the raw data shows a cooling ocean but after some "corrections" by scientists who have much to lose by a cooling ocean, it is found to be warming? Is Dr Hansen somehow involved?

Actually from the graph the correction shows less warming.

What they are saying there is a 30 year trend of warming and only 3 years of cooling. This is consistent with variation in the past and 3 years of cooling doesn't change the 30 year trend much.

[malorn]

Please tell me how anyone could look at this graph and decide that Obama has 4 years to save the world from catyclysmic global warming?

[JSH]

Originally Posted by malorn

Please tell me how anyone could look at this graph and decide that Obama has 4 years to save the world from catyclysmic global warming?

They would say that that is only a 10 year plateau in a 100 year warming trend and that you should base policy on the 100 year trend.

They would also tell you to ignore the 2000 year trend that shows cooling because that is "natural cooling" and the past 100 years is "man-made" warming.

[TimBikes]

Originally Posted by JSH

They would say that that is only a 10 year plateau in a 100 year warming trend and that you should base policy on the 100 year trend.

They would also tell you to ignore the 2000 year trend that shows cooling because that is "natural cooling" and the past 100 years is "man-made" warming.

How is it that all the cooling is "natural" and all the "warming" man-made? Is there no "natural" warming?

[malorn]

10 Warmest years on record on the US(48 states)
1-1934/1998
3-1921
4-1931/2006
6-1999
7-1953
8-1990
9-1938
10-1939

Where od you think the best temperature records have been kept the last 125 years? Based on the last column in the table is there reason for panic? Or would there have been more reason for panic in say 1940? Can you imagine Dr Hansen in 1939 going to FDR and making the case that the greatest threat to the United States and man was global warming? Wouldn't that have been the case if Hansen had been working for NASA using this data?