Why not Energy Star rating for dryers?

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

Is this anywhere in the vicinity of being relevant to this forum?

[Celtic Blue]

Originally Posted by LeadingEdgeBoomer

Is this anywhere in the vicinity of being relevant to this forum?

You can't be serious! Are you telling me that energy conservation is not relevant to the "Environmental Discussion" forum?

Please explain yourself.

[mikepaul]

Originally Posted by Shawn Clark

Yes, parroting. When you repeat something back verbatim without even thinking about it or considering what was originally posted it is simply "parroting." Did you really think I hadn't read that exact same nonsense?

Yes I thought you hadn't read it, but apparently self-righteous dimwits ask questions for which they don't need answers.

Then when someone points out they are fools, they refuse to give up because God or some other diety has denied them that ability.

Waiting for your next dose of idiocy about how you are right in all things...

[qbee42]

Let me step in here for a moment and post something slightly off topic. Shawn and I have gone a lot of rounds punching and counter punching. We may have even resorted to name calling. There was a time that he was on my short list of "most despised PriusChatters". I generally remain civil in my postings, but Shawn tested my resolve.

Oddly enough, though, with time I realized that Shawn and I generally agree on most topics. Often we were in violent agreement, beating each other over the head while making the same point. Fortunately we now seem to get along fairly well.

I believe what causes these threads to derail is that Shawn is a tad bit aggressive in expressing his views. Shawn, I know it's hard to do, but if you could dial back the confrontational tenor of your posts just a bit your points would come across more clearly. As it is, people tend to feel threatened by them and then the thread devolves into a fight instead of a discussion. I understand this because I have the same tendency, but I work very hard to keep it under control.

By the way, Shawn, I do appreciate our improved relationship, and I value and respect your opinions.

Back to the fight, er, discussion.

Tom

[Celtic Blue]

Originally Posted by mikepaul

Yes I thought you hadn't read it, but apparently self-righteous dimwits ask questions for which they don't need answers.

So you admit you started off with a faulty assumption and continued to make more. And you can't be bothered to fix an appliance or even notice that the Energy Star statement about dryers fails the simplest logic test...as I pointed out about moisture sensors in my original and subsequent posts. No, instead you parroted the easily disproven. Maybe you should have nominated yourself as "self-righteous dimwit?"

As for me, I'm still wondering about actual measured performance of condensing dryers, heat recovery systems for dryers, etc. I'm also wondering why Energy Star hasn't reconsidered at least requiring Energy Guides for the appliances and coming up with some standardized testing in case there really are differences in performance. If they don't have any sort of standardized testing and report results, then they really can't claim there is or is not any difference.

Then when someone points out they are fools, they refuse to give up because God or some other diety has denied them that ability.

Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that? Seriously, that's some incredibly ironic stuff.

[qbee42]

The broader question is why not Energy Star rate anything that uses power? If all devices of a certain type rate the same, it tells us something. If the ratings differ, that also tells us something. The information is useful either way. More information makes for better decisions. Better decisions pressure vendors to make better products.

Tom

[Celtic Blue]

Precisely. Adding to that, once you have a published metric it becomes an incentive to finding ways to differentiate and improve...as in reducing power consumption. Would insulating the drum or cabinet of a dryer improve it's efficiency by a few percent? Condensing operation? Moisture sensors? Sealed designs drawing outdoor air? More complex controls?

Ovens and ranges are an example of the need for a metric. Together they are the next largest user after the dryer, and just in front of the modern refrigerator if I'm not mistaken. I suspect (but lack data to prove) that a ceramic rangetop is more efficient than open elements. I've read that with ovens self-cleaning models are more efficient to operate because they require additional insulation.

[fuzzy1]

... I'm also wondering why Energy Star hasn't reconsidered at least requiring Energy Guides for the appliances and coming up with some standardized testing in case there really are differences in performance. If they don't have any sort of standardized testing and report results, then they really can't claim there is or is not any difference.

I very strongly suspect that with the other appliance standards, independent knowledge of substantial differences preceded the creation of any standardized tests. Creating standardized test in case there are differences seems a bit more proactive than I would expect from this branch of government.

[rpatterman]

My guess is the appliance industry has blocked attempts to measure performance. The air cooled condensing (ventless) dryers seem to be a plus in heating season in that they release heat into the room without the moisture. Also since they do not exhaust 200cfm (10,000 cf/load)of house air that must be cooled, they might also not be so bad in cooling season. A very tight home will have aproblem with 10,000 cf of air exhaust in the winter when it is closed up.

Could the heated air be exhausted into the house during the heating season and vented to the outside during the cooling season? Or could the heat be used as a preheat for the DHW? Moisture sensors seem like a no brainer over a timer. And a front loading washer will spin more water out than a top loader.

Another great way to save on dryer use is to hang thinks like towels and jeans on a line in the laundry room for 24 hrs then toss in the dry to finish off. Works great if the washer spins enough water out so they are not dipping.

[burritos]

It is a curiosity why the industry hasn't created a more efficient dryer. This would be an optimal innovation to generate the "obsolescence" that we typically find in today's products.