Inside the Twin Towers & The Pentegon

[hycamguy07]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rand Reed @ Sep 6 2006, 07:21 PM) [snapback]315461[/snapback]</div>

Too close to home for us - we will not watch any of that stuff, and I'm sure that will be for quite a few years to come - we have to change the channel when the ads come up.
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[Proco]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rand Reed @ Sep 6 2006, 07:21 PM) [snapback]315461[/snapback]</div>

Too close to home for us - we will not watch any of that stuff, and I'm sure that will be for quite a few years to come - we have to change the channel when the ads come up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 7 2006, 12:22 PM) [snapback]315761[/snapback]

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Don't know if this is the case for Rand, but if someone lost a family member or friend on 9/11, seeing footage or photos from that day can rip that scab open again. I read a story in '02 about a NJ girl whose father died when the towers fell. The only thing on TV she could watch was the Food Network because it was the only network that she could be sure wouldn't show that footage again & again. To her, every time it was shown, she was watching her father die all over again.

[ditto231]

I am glad most of you watched the documentary. Hopefully everyone understands why we're at war. I am getting sick and tired of listening to people bashing on Bush. We need desperately unite and stand behind our country and do whatever it takes to make all of us and our children's future safe.

[SSimon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ditto @ Sep 7 2006, 12:42 PM) [snapback]315809[/snapback]</div>

I am glad most of you watched the documentary. Hopefully everyone understands why we're at war. I am getting sick and tired of listening to people bashing on Bush. We need desperately unite and stand behind our country and do whatever it takes to make all of us and our children's future safe.
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i think most of us know all too well that we were attacked and that we have to defend our country and ensure the safety of all citizens. i think most people, including myself, have a problem with the fact that the administration called for war against a country who did not produce the terrorists that planned and iniated the terror on 9/11 . we have spent billions of dollars on a war (attack) against this country and our ports, borders, trains, airlines, power plants, etc. are significantly unprotected. (did anyone see the expose a couple years ago about two undercover girls that walked right into our nuclear power plants and were allowed to take pictures???? this is an obvious concern and should have been addressed well before invading iraq) for all the funding that went into the attack in iraq, we would've been a whole lot safer had we used these billions of dollars to secure our homeland in the aforementioned areas. we also would have unencumbered military to deal with n.k. and iran, should the situation warrant. when bush was faced with the very question about how iraq did not house the terrorists that struck us on that day, his reply was "well, they have the same jihad mentality". this was his sole reply and explanation for the attack on iraq. if it's perceived that countries can attack another country solely for ideology, the entire world is not safe let alone the u.s.

[Schmika]

Go see the thread about "Clinton wants ABC to pull miniseries"


WHAT DID I TELL YOU!!!!LOLOLOLOLOL

[jayman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 6 2006, 06:15 PM) [snapback]315458[/snapback]</div>

The conspiracy theorists need to crawl back into the hole they came out of.
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I contract for a global engineering company, and locally we have on staff P.E. certified Civil, Mechanical, Structural, Metals, etc, in addition to Yours Truly Computer Science/Industrial Controls.

The overall opinion of the engineers locally on staff - and a position shared company wide - is that if it WAS a planned demo, it was a piss-poor one.

The collapse of WT1, WT2, and WT7 raises MANY critical issues of building design: life protection systems, structural protection, construction quality, etc. Let's face it, the WT buildings were designed to withstand average events, not critical events. These events are studied and - at least here in Canada and in the EU - engineering codes are changed as a result.

A similar problem existed with the Murrah federal building in OKC. As you may recall, that structure was a nine story reinforced concrete building. Where that All American White Boy Timmy parked the Ryder had widely spaced vertical columns supporting a transfer beam, which carried the weight of the building above the third floor.

There was something odd about how the building was approved and constructed: the reinforced concrete floors were NOT tied into the vertical columns. The horizontal rebar in the floors only lightly touched the heavy vertical column rebar, there was NO mechanical tie. If OKC had been in an earthquake zone - like LA or SFO - the horizontal rebar in the floor would have been tightly tied into the heavy vertical rebar in the columns, at least a metre down.

So what happened was when All American White Boy Timmy walked away from the truck, and 5,000 lbs of diesel and fertilizer blew up, the vertical columns nearest the truck were disintegrated. That left the transfer beam supporting a lot more weight, but the building should have remained standing.

The shock wave propagated through the building, exerting enough force to lift up the heavy concrete floors and break the very weak connection between the floor horizontal rebar and the column vertical rebar. This caused a progressive or "pancake" collapse of most of the building, which is what really caused the demise of most of the victims.

All because the building was built "just good enough" at a resultant cost savings of 15%.

There are many WT1/2/7 and Alfred P Murrah Federal Building structures out there. In most parts of the world, engineering codes were not changed to deal with this threat until only 2-3 years ago. More than likely, if you work in a typical high rise office building built before 2004, that building is vulnerable in some way. Deal with it.

You have a simple choice: buy a clue, get educated, or shut up. I'm really sick and tired of reading your trivial bullshit, especially after a long overseas flight that was delayed numerous times.

[hycamguy07]

Does anyone remember the jet that crashed in the everglades? all that was left of the plane and its contents was a 10" fin. The conspiracy theorists say there should have been parts of the plane at the Pentagon, again look at the above sentence...

They show the poofs of smoke just before the towers fell, anyone can see its the floors colapsing due the the steel being weakened from the extremely hot burning jet fuel and the weight of the concrete floors.

I have seen the documentries on bldg. demo's they drill holes into the supports and then blast. Theres no way the towers where demo'd.........

God rest those poor peoples souls & thier families...

[Pinto Girl]

The conspiracy began before Bush took (and I mean, literally, took) office.

Rampant dishonesty, xenophobia, and pseudo-religious moralism have breached the trust of the American People; perhaps irreperably.