NYC Bans Trans Fats From Eateries

[dragonfly]

NYC Bans Trans Fats From Eateries
"Restaurants will be barred from using most frying oils containing artificial trans fats by July and will have to eliminate the artificial trans fats from all of their foods by July 2008."

I wish they'd do that here!

[daniel]

Just don't eat in that kind of restaurant. I can guarantee you that whatever they come up with to use instead will be just as unhealthy.

[dragonfly]

I don't eat at fast food restaurants, except veggie sandwiches at Subway and BRC burritos at Taco Bell. But I'd sure like to see them making healthier food for the sake of the public in general.

[TimBikes]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Dec 5 2006, 07:30 PM) [snapback]358271[/snapback]</div>

NYC Bans Trans Fats From Eateries
"Restaurants will be barred from using most frying oils containing artificial trans fats by July and will have to eliminate the artificial trans fats from all of their foods by July 2008."

I wish they'd do that here!
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I wish they'd just make everyone pay the full cost for their own healthcare.

[daniel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Dec 6 2006, 07:36 AM) [snapback]358418[/snapback]</div>

... One of the greatest pleasures in life is enjoying food that tastes good. I love to dine out at fine eateries or cook fine food at home. This generally involves heavy cream, real butter, red meat, cheese, wine, salt, etc.... These are the foods that taste best...
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I respectfully disagree, Evan.

I ate meat for the first 19 years of my life. I loved the taste of it and didn't think I could exist without meat.

Then I became a strict ovo-lacto-vegetarian. It took about a year to overcome my craving for meat, and after another year meat began to disgust me. Meanwhile, vegetables, which I had never liked, became more and more tasty. A couple of years later I discovered tofu, which I did not care for at first, but then I learned how to cook it, and it too became very tasty.

As a person who has lived as a carnivore and as a vegetarian, I can tell you from personal experience that all taste in food is acquired habit.

I get just as much pleasure out of eating a well-prepared vegetarian meal as I ever got out of a meal of meat.

There are people who refuse to try other foods than those they are familiar with because they think they can only enjoy what they are in the habit of eating. But in fact, anyone who wishes to enjoy better health can choose to begin eating a healthy diet, and before too much longer they will be getting exactly the same pleasure from the new food as they ever did from their old food. All taste in food is subjective. Eat whatever you choose to eat. But you are fooling yourself if you think that there is more objective good taste in cream, butter, red meat, or cheese than in tofu, beans, pure water, and fresh green vegetables. It's just a matter of what you choose to accustom yourself to.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Schmika @ Dec 6 2006, 10:19 AM) [snapback]358506[/snapback]</div>

Has anyone noticed the contradicitons of some peoples opinions. People I would cal "liberals" are all for more and more laws controlling our behaviou.
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The problem is yours, when you decide to place labels on people, and then expect them to conform to your arbitrary definitions of what those labels are supposed to mean. You might call me a liberal because I support social justice and higher wages for workers; but then you are confused when I oppose multi-national corporations "right" to dump nasty chemicals into our food in order to increase their profit. Yet from my point of view, these positions are entirely consistent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Schmika @ Dec 6 2006, 10:19 AM) [snapback]358506[/snapback]</div>

BTW, as for the earlier comment about writing a check for your own taxes....I think the point was, if people would have to do that, they would be OUTRAGED at the high taxes.
[/b]

Americans pay less tax, but complain about it more loudly, than any other industrialized country.

[mojo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Dec 6 2006, 02:16 PM) [snapback]358554[/snapback]</div>

The fact that no limit has been identified does not mean that there is not a safe limit, it simply means the reasearch to date is inadequate to identify it.

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"The Food and Drug Administration has declared that the only acceptable amount of trans fats in our diets is zero"

[dbermanmd]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TimBikes @ Dec 6 2006, 02:46 AM) [snapback]358346[/snapback]</div>

I wish they'd just make everyone pay the full cost for their own healthcare.
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I think this will be overturned in court. I also agree with you in terms of making people share their fair cost of their own healthcare. I also think there should be no employer withholding of taxes - make each and every individual send the government a check with each and every paycheck.

[marjflowers]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Dec 5 2006, 10:48 PM) [snapback]358308[/snapback]</div>

I don't eat at fast food restaurants, except veggie sandwiches at Subway and BRC burritos at Taco Bell. But I'd sure like to see them making healthier food for the sake of the public in general.
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What is a BRC burrito?


Peace --

[dragonfly]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(marjflowers @ Dec 6 2006, 05:31 AM) [snapback]358370[/snapback]</div>

What is a BRC burrito?
Peace --
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Beans, rice and cheese. I don't know if they are healthy or not, but I like them.

[eagle33199]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Dec 6 2006, 06:40 AM) [snapback]358362[/snapback]</div>

I think this will be overturned in court. I also agree with you in terms of making people share their fair cost of their own healthcare. I also think there should be no employer withholding of taxes - make each and every individual send the government a check with each and every paycheck.
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Oddly enough, i think i agree with doberman, in part... a law such as this isn't really proper - you choose to eat stuff cooked with trans fat, and you're the one who is injured by it. Now, i can see then requiring a warning for foods cooked with trans fat, so the public is aware... however if i choose to eat it (which i wouldn't, but i nkow some people who wouldn't care, unfortunately), then i should be allowed to. This isn't like smoking, where it's been proven that second hand smoke is hazardous to your health - there's no second hand trans fat (at least, none that i want to think about... gross). And the whole smoking thing is still very controversial, with only a small number of areas banning it in public places like restaurants and bars.

As for the rest of what Doberman said...

Healthcare: I don't know about the rest of you, but a sizable chunk of what i pay in benefits from every pay check goes towards my health care plan, which is essentially an insurance policy against the day when i may need expensive treatment. There's a whole industry built around providing this form of insurance to people, and i don't see why we should do away with it and force the individuals to foot the bill themselves. The way i see it, a majority of people already foot their fair share of the bill through their monthly payments to their plan providers. Now, if you're just talking about going after the freeloaders, i might be able to see your point, but i would still have some debate about that.

Taxes: Why force everyone to write regular checks to the government? I have enough bills to pay already, and wouldn't want another one. The only reason you'd want everyone to write their own checks would be to increase government and IRS jobs (go big government go) and to make sure that everyone understands exactly how much they're being reamed by the government every paycheck. Seems like you almost want people to insist that they pay less taxes (which means a smaller government), yet at the same time increase governmental jobs, which is completely contradictory. Rather than insist that everyone should write the government their own checks, why not insist on overhauling the tax code and replacing it with something simpler and more even across all classes?