Arctic melting faster than expected

dragonfly · 12-11-2006, 06:46 PM

The researchers, who were funded by Nasa, said that the ice retreat is likely to remain fairly constant until 2024 when there will be a sudden speeding up of the process.

In 30 to 50 years, they concluded, summer sea ice will have vanished from almost the entire Arctic region.

...a recent study by the Global Carbon Project suggested that emissions were rising more than twice as fast as in 2000, which was likely to speed up ice-loss even further.

...a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions, widely accepted as the prime cause of global warming, would slow down the ice loss significantly"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...0054_1,00.html

Summer 2006 was a really bad year for snow/sea ice... something I get to see out ahead of reports like this one.

F8L · 12-11-2006, 07:04 PM

Guess I'll have to go look at what Gavin and the boys at RealClimate.org are saying. LOL

Then go look at what crap Ol' Steve Miloy is posting on his site.

burritos · 12-11-2006, 08:56 PM

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The researchers, who were funded by Nasa, said that the ice retreat is likely to remain fairly constant until 2024 when there will be a sudden speeding up of the process.

In 30 to 50 years, they concluded, summer sea ice will have vanished from almost the entire Arctic region.

...a recent study by the Global Carbon Project suggested that emissions were rising more than twice as fast as in 2000, which was likely to speed up ice-loss even further.

...a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions, widely accepted as the prime cause of global warming, would slow down the ice loss significantly"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...0054_1,00.html

Summer 2006 was a really bad year for Arctic snow/sea ice... something I get to see out ahead of reports like this one.
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Good, maybe we'll run out of oil sooner than later too.

Stev0 · 12-11-2006, 09:13 PM

Quick! Someone should go up to the polar ice cap and it global warming is a hoax!

**Tideland Prius** · 12-11-2006, 10:10 PM

Funny.. of course they say CO2 is a major contributor. It's the UK.. that's why they have CO2 taxes.

There are also other gases you know. CO2 is just one part of the problem. What about water vapour? NOx?

Hell, particulates can cool the atmosphere (think volcano eruption of Mt. Pina... sth.. the Philippine one.)

Wildkow · 12-11-2006, 10:13 PM

Its all the Hot Air being blown about by the "Global Warming" crowd! :P

Widlkow

dragonfly · 12-11-2006, 10:32 PM

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There are also other gases you know. CO2 is just one part of the problem. What about water vapour? NOx?
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As far as Greenhouse gases go, methane (CH4) is the big problem next to CO2.

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Hell, particulates can cool the atmosphere (think volcano eruption of Mt. Pina... sth.. the Philippine one.)
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These are aerosols... they can play a role in either cooling or warming the atmosphere. Their cooling effect is known as global dimming.

**Tideland Prius** · 12-11-2006, 10:38 PM

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As far as Greenhouse gases go, methane (CH4) is the big problem next to CO2.

These are called aerosols... they can play a role in either cooling or warming the atmosphere. Their cooling effect is known as global dimming.
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Hmm.. should've used more technical terms especially since I learned it this year.

Aren't aerosols larger than particulates?

So aerosols is the term that I'm looking for, not particulates?

dragonfly · 12-11-2006, 10:40 PM

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Aren't aerosols larger than particulates?

So aerosols is the term that I'm looking for, not particulates?
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It's basically the same thing. Aerosols are particulates suspended in the air.

**Tideland Prius** · 12-11-2006, 10:45 PM

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It's basically the same thing. Aerosols are particulates suspended in the air.
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ok, I'm gonna stop before I embarrass myself further. How the hell did I past that course?

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12-11-2006, 06:46 PM	#1
dragonfly Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,921 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 1	The researchers, who were funded by Nasa, said that the ice retreat is likely to remain fairly constant until 2024 when there will be a sudden speeding up of the process. In 30 to 50 years, they concluded, summer sea ice will have vanished from almost the entire Arctic region. ...a recent study by the Global Carbon Project suggested that emissions were rising more than twice as fast as in 2000, which was likely to speed up ice-loss even further. ...a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions, widely accepted as the prime cause of global warming, would slow down the ice loss significantly" http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...0054_1,00.html Summer 2006 was a really bad year for snow/sea ice... something I get to see out ahead of reports like this one.

12-11-2006, 07:04 PM	#2
F8L Collecting Data on Nature Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA. Posts: 3,989 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: #4 Nominated 1 Time in 1 Post TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 15	Guess I'll have to go look at what Gavin and the boys at RealClimate.org are saying. LOL Then go look at what crap Ol' Steve Miloy is posting on his site.

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Stev0 Aluminum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 4,714 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #7 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 7	Quick! Someone should go up to the polar ice cap and it global warming is a hoax!

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Tideland Prius Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 13,909 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: B Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 11	Funny.. of course they say CO2 is a major contributor. It's the UK.. that's why they have CO2 taxes. There are also other gases you know. CO2 is just one part of the problem. What about water vapour? NOx? Hell, particulates can cool the atmosphere (think volcano eruption of Mt. Pina... sth.. the Philippine one.)

12-11-2006, 10:13 PM	#6
Wildkow Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,860 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #8 Nominated 4 Times in 1 Post TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 11	Its all the Hot Air being blown about by the "Global Warming" crowd! :P Widlkow