Is paying Income tax Unconstitutional???

BORNGEARHEAD · 03-04-2007, 11:53 PM

I stumbled across this documentary on Google Video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30277175242198

dragonfly · 03-05-2007, 12:03 AM

I watched this video some time ago and was unconvinced. Anyhow, let's say it is unconstitutional. Not paying taxes would be immoral. Leave me out of it.

huskers · 03-05-2007, 12:08 AM

No but it is not much fun!

Stev0 · 03-05-2007, 01:16 AM

Sorry, urban legend

daniel · 03-05-2007, 09:34 AM

In a nutshell, the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of constitutionality of any law. The Supreme Court has ruled that the income tax is constitutional, and therefore it is. Anyone who has an argument to the contrary would have to bring it to the Court and convince the Court, before their position became law.

But since the same folks who insist that the income tax is unconstitutional, usually also insist that paper money is worthless because, according to them, only commodities and metals have "real" value, I always suggest to them an easy way out: They can pay their income tax with "worthless" paper money! The government will be satisfied, and they will have given nothing of "real" value to the government. They never seem satisfied with my suggestion. I wonder why.

F8L · 03-05-2007, 12:05 PM

I think they touch on this in the book "The Creature From Jekyll Island". One of my friend's dad is really into this stuff and shows me all the data he has collected. It's pretty interesting and from what I can tell it was true but obviously you are not supposed to know that and it really won't matter anyway since they (the system) will just punish you if you refuse to pay. I mean really, who in their right mind would give up a meal ticket they have been recieving for 100 years LOL.

daniel · 03-05-2007, 01:19 PM

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I think they touch on this in the book "The Creature From Jekyll Island". One of my friend's dad is really into this stuff and shows me all the data he has collected. It's pretty interesting and from what I can tell it was true but obviously you are not supposed to know that and it really won't matter anyway since they (the system) will just punish you if you refuse to pay. I mean really, who in their right mind would give up a meal ticket they have been recieving for 100 years LOL.
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Hey, the law is nothing more than stuff written down by the people who run the country. At the start, they said no income tax. Then they changed it to have an income tax. Legislators wrote it down, the Supreme Court said okay, and that makes it the law.

There's nothing holy or sacred about the law, and plenty of laws are bad for the country. Laws basically exist so the people in power stay in power, and government exists so the rich can exploit the poor.

But it's all legal: the exploitation, the tax, the paper money, because the law is whatever the law says it is. The law is bunk, just like religion is bunk. But there's not much point in arguing that the law is illegal because the government has enough guns to make it very hot for anyone who does not pay up. Religion is bunk, but churches are real and televangelists make good money. The law is bunk, but government and its prisons are real.

Refuse to pay your taxes and I'll applaud you. But arguing over whether it's "legal" or not is pointless.

F8L · 03-05-2007, 01:24 PM

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Hey, the law is nothing more than stuff written down by the people who run the country. At the start, they said no income tax. Then they changed it to have an income tax. Legislators wrote it down, the Supreme Court said okay, and that makes it the law.

There's nothing holy or sacred about the law, and plenty of laws are bad for the country. Laws basically exist so the people in power stay in power, and government exists so the rich can exploit the poor.

But it's all legal: the exploitation, the tax, the paper money, because the law is whatever the law says it is. The law is bunk, just like religion is bunk. But there's not much point in arguing that the law is illegal because the government has enough guns to make it very hot for anyone who does not pay up. Religion is bunk, but churches are real and televangelists make good money. The law is bunk, but government and its prisons are real.

Refuse to pay your taxes and I'll applaud you. But arguing over whether it's "legal" or not is pointless.
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LOL, good post Daniel.

dbermanmd · 03-05-2007, 01:38 PM

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Refuse to pay your taxes and I'll applaud you.
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The question is will you defend him in court? Try it, don't pay your taxes and test the Constitutionality of it

F8L · 03-05-2007, 01:43 PM

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The question is will you defend him in court? Try it, don't pay your taxes and test the Constitutionality of it

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Are any of us that brave and rich?

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daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 11,278 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #6 Thanks: 59 Thanked 201 Times in 127 Posts Friends: 0	In a nutshell, the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of constitutionality of any law. The Supreme Court has ruled that the income tax is constitutional, and therefore it is. Anyone who has an argument to the contrary would have to bring it to the Court and convince the Court, before their position became law. But since the same folks who insist that the income tax is unconstitutional, usually also insist that paper money is worthless because, according to them, only commodities and metals have "real" value, I always suggest to them an easy way out: They can pay their income tax with "worthless" paper money! The government will be satisfied, and they will have given nothing of "real" value to the government. They never seem satisfied with my suggestion. I wonder why. __________________ Daniel Primary car: 100% Electric 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera. Estimated range at 55 mph: 81 miles total or 64 miles to 80% discharge. Top speed 70 mph. Secondary car: Zap Xebra SD, also 100% electric. 1.9 cents per mile. Range: 40 miles total, or 32 miles to 80% discharge. Top speed 35 mph. Faster downhill. Both EVs use electrons generated from water power. Gas guzzler for when I have to travel farther than 60 miles: 2004 Prius. "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." -- Emma Goldman "Anyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the battlefield will think long and hard before starting a war." -- Otto von Bismarck

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03-04-2007, 11:53 PM	#1
BORNGEARHEAD Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 73 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	I stumbled across this documentary on Google Video. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30277175242198

03-05-2007, 12:03 AM	#2
dragonfly Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,196 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Friends: 1	I watched this video some time ago and was unconvinced. Anyhow, let's say it is unconstitutional. Not paying taxes would be immoral. Leave me out of it.

03-05-2007, 12:08 AM	#3
huskers Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 611 My Car: 2005 Prius Model: Package: #3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	No but it is not much fun!

03-05-2007, 01:16 AM	#4
Stev0 Aluminum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 5,672 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: #7 Thanks: 24 Thanked 40 Times in 34 Posts Friends: 7	Sorry, urban legend