Why are liberals more concerned with....

desynch · 03-15-2007, 05:52 PM

Global Warming.. than with the War on Terror?

Why do they insist that humans are the cause of this natural phenonemon.. yet women and children, daughters and sons, are being blown up everyday in the name of Muslim Terrorism... and the liberals shun Bush for taking a stand against it.

Why is it that everytime someone discusses the reasons we are at war, a liberal jumps in and says "But the Christians did ______ in the 14th century!" .. or "Look at the KKK, they're evil Christians!" ..

We are at war with Muslim Fundamentalists. We are losing soldiers everyday and liberals seem to spit on their efforts with their negativity and disapproval.

I'm not sure how much clearer one can make it.. We are AT WAR WITH MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS. MUSLIM FUNDIES WANT TO KILL US. They want us to be under Sharia law, just like them.

How does one have the cohones to make excuses for the Muslim Fundies actions? Why do liberals insist on trash-talking our soldiers and what they are doing.

Liberals will throw it in the faces of those who support the War on Terrorism.. saying that WE created more violence and that WE are at fault.. I guess they don't realize that Saddam had killed over 2 million people.. The liberal media didn't report how terrible it was under the rule of Saddam, but now they're all over the place reporting how bad it is NOW.. they didn't do that THEN, when Saddam would kill hundreds of thousands on a whim.

I'm just tired of liberals (mostly liberals, that is) making excuses for the Muslim Terrorists.. justifying or excusing their terrible actions by bringing up the Crusades, or the KKK, or any wing-nut Christian hate group. We're at freaking war... WAR people... We're losing men and women everyday over there.. so we don't lose them over HERE.

Liberals are all for human rights, but they seem to ignore the fact that women are stoned, punished for being raped.. put on collars like dogs.. The atrocities are unfathomable.. and they hate us because we are not like THAT.

I for one, appreciate my Religious Freedom.. Equality for men and women.. the Constitution, and all that America stands for.

Keep catering to the Muslim Fundamentalists.. and they will bring MORE of their hate and violence to our country.

**efusco** · 03-15-2007, 05:59 PM

Clear answers and explainations of the "liberal's" stand on both of these issues have been given and repeated. We care deeply about both issues but disagree with the current approach being taken with both by the conservatives. It doesn't mean that we don't care just b/c we don't wish to deal with the problems in the same manner you do.

Both problems threaten the future of the entire planet. Both are important. But attacking a soverign nation that had no terror threats to us does not and will never solve the problem of terrorism.

Burying our heads in the sand won't make the issues of the environment go away...sure, you and I will likely be dead before there are any consequences, but that doesn't remove the moral obligation for us to deal with it today for the sake of our future generations.

desynch · 03-15-2007, 06:14 PM

I see what you're saying efusco. Good answer... except for your belief that we shouldn't have gone after Iraq... take a look at where it is on the map. Tell me it wouldn't be great to have a stable Democracy there.. a strategic "strong hold", if you will.

What manner would you suggest in dealing with a large population of Muslim Fundamentalists that dance in the streets when they destroy our trade center.. What manner would you suggest in dealing with a few Middle Eastern countries that are actively seeking WMD, nuclear and biological, in order to threaten our way of life? Saddam violated dozens of UN Resolutions.. so has Kim Jong Il.

I guess, I'm asking, what do YOU suggest we do? Make more UN Resolutions? Write more mean letters to Kim Jong Il?

Don't you want to protect Isreal from Iran? You do realize if it wasn't for us, Isreal would be wiped off the globe, right?

I'm not picking on you, I am sincerely asking what agenda the liberals have in mind with this WAR? Remember.. we are at WAR. Bush has indeed made mistakes, plenty - but what have liberals done? Thus far, I've seen whining, disrespect for our troops, and other typical "Spit on a veteran" hippy crap. What would the liberals have done differently?

Keep in mind, Bush acted on intelligence he had at the time. Would a Democrat have had some different info?

MarinJohn · 03-15-2007, 06:25 PM

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Global Warming.. than with the War on Terror?

Why do they insist that humans are the cause of this natural phenonemon.. yet women and children, daughters and sons, are being blown up everyday in the name of Muslim Terrorism... and the liberals shun Bush for taking a stand against it.

Why is it that everytime someone discusses the reasons we are at war, a liberal jumps in and says "But the Christians did ______ in the 14th century!" .. or "Look at the KKK, they're evil Christians!" ..

We are at war with Muslim Fundamentalists. We are losing soldiers everyday and liberals seem to spit on their efforts with their negativity and disapproval.

I'm not sure how much clearer one can make it.. We are AT WAR WITH MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS. MUSLIM FUNDIES WANT TO KILL US. They want us to be under Sharia law, just like them.

How does one have the cohones to make excuses for the Muslim Fundies actions? Why do liberals insist on trash-talking our soldiers and what they are doing.

Liberals will throw it in the faces of those who support the War on Terrorism.. saying that WE created more violence and that WE are at fault.. I guess they don't realize that Saddam had killed over 2 million people.. The liberal media didn't report how terrible it was under the rule of Saddam, but now they're all over the place reporting how bad it is NOW.. they didn't do that THEN, when Saddam would kill hundreds of thousands on a whim.

I'm just tired of liberals (mostly liberals, that is) making excuses for the Muslim Terrorists.. justifying or excusing their terrible actions by bringing up the Crusades, or the KKK, or any wing-nut Christian hate group. We're at freaking war... WAR people... We're losing men and women everyday over there.. so we don't lose them over HERE.

Liberals are all for human rights, but they seem to ignore the fact that women are stoned, punished for being raped.. put on collars like dogs.. The atrocities are unfathomable.. and they hate us because we are not like THAT.

I for one, appreciate my Religious Freedom.. Equality for men and women.. the Constitution, and all that America stands for.

Keep catering to the Muslim Fundamentalists.. and they will bring MORE of their hate and violence to our country.
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jimmyrose · 03-15-2007, 06:30 PM

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Keep in mind, Bush acted on intelligence he had at the time. Would a Democrat have had some different info?
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Keep in mind, Bush acted on one report (that later turned out to be as unsupportable and unverifiable as the majority of the intelligence community told him at the time) that tenuously supported his WMD reasons for attacking. Also, if you recall, at the time, he also manufactured links between terrorism and Saddam that have NEVER been proven; in fact, quite the opposite, it turns out.

I find it hard that this many years down the road, and in the face of so much evidence, that people still defend that Bush was "misinformed". Or that we were preventing terrorists from attacking us here by attacking a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
Unbelievable.

desynch · 03-15-2007, 06:35 PM

Ok, so lets say Bush was NOT misinformed and he straight up lied through his teeth...

Why isn't he being tried as a war-criminal?

jimmyrose · 03-15-2007, 06:39 PM

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Ok, so lets say Bush was NOT misinformed and he straight up lied through his teeth...

Why isn't he being tried as a war-criminal?
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That's a very good question. I believe the impeachment thread spelled out why this would not be in our country's best interests at this time. However, once he's out of office, I hope they investigate the lot of them and charge them with everything they can find and prove. Oh wait, that's right, Dubya changed the law - we can't have access to those records if he decides we can't. Isn't that special?

Lywyllyn · 03-15-2007, 07:03 PM

I support the troops, I don't support the poor decision making that was done to send them overseas. I want them to come home and I want them to look towards the future and not wreck their brains on whether they have done good or harm.

Nuff said, we are in this mess because we had no real plan on how to bring this war to a positive conclusion. We completely underestimated the power vacuum encouraging every extremist nutter with a half a dream to start their own miniature state. We underestimate man's capacity to hold a grudge over centuries paired with the desire for power and to dominate others who are not like him/herself. Regime change undertaken by a great western society should not look like a South American coup de jour.

We have the greatest minds working for our government. They ought to come up with a plausible plan now. It is not too late, it is time!

Btw, the sanctions against NK seem to have worked (time will tell, though) Lets hope that the 5'3" half god doesn't throw in a divine wrench

Sadly my approach to respect other opinions (while grumbling to myself mind you!

) and to live an exemplary spiritual life that sets me on path to peace and happiness is not universally shared, so I am really all out of bubble gum with regards to a solution for NK, Iran, Iraq etc...

desynch · 03-15-2007, 07:18 PM

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. Isn't that special?
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Special isn't the S-word I was thinking about!

livelychick · 03-15-2007, 08:00 PM

I really wish we would have used Afghanistan as a "stronghold" of democracy. This liberal absolutely approved of knocking the Taliban on its ass.

Too bad we didn't finish the job...

03-15-2007, 05:59 PM	#2
efusco Troll Slayer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nixa, MO Posts: 17,250 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 50 Thanked 261 Times in 157 Posts Friends: 37	Clear answers and explainations of the "liberal's" stand on both of these issues have been given and repeated. We care deeply about both issues but disagree with the current approach being taken with both by the conservatives. It doesn't mean that we don't care just b/c we don't wish to deal with the problems in the same manner you do. Both problems threaten the future of the entire planet. Both are important. But attacking a soverign nation that had no terror threats to us does not and will never solve the problem of terrorism. Burying our heads in the sand won't make the issues of the environment go away...sure, you and I will likely be dead before there are any consequences, but that doesn't remove the moral obligation for us to deal with it today for the sake of our future generations. __________________ Evan E. Fusco, MD "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." -Andrew Jackson

03-15-2007, 07:03 PM	#8
Lywyllyn Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 199 My Car: 2001 Prius Model: Package: N/A Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	I support the troops, I don't support the poor decision making that was done to send them overseas. I want them to come home and I want them to look towards the future and not wreck their brains on whether they have done good or harm. Nuff said, we are in this mess because we had no real plan on how to bring this war to a positive conclusion. We completely underestimated the power vacuum encouraging every extremist nutter with a half a dream to start their own miniature state. We underestimate man's capacity to hold a grudge over centuries paired with the desire for power and to dominate others who are not like him/herself. Regime change undertaken by a great western society should not look like a South American coup de jour. We have the greatest minds working for our government. They ought to come up with a plausible plan now. It is not too late, it is time! Btw, the sanctions against NK seem to have worked (time will tell, though) Lets hope that the 5'3" half god doesn't throw in a divine wrench Sadly my approach to respect other opinions (while grumbling to myself mind you! ) and to live an exemplary spiritual life that sets me on path to peace and happiness is not universally shared, so I am really all out of bubble gum with regards to a solution for NK, Iran, Iraq etc... __________________ "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." Douglas Adams, "Last Chance to See"

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03-15-2007, 05:52 PM	#1
desynch Die-Hard Conservative Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lakehouse Posts: 607 My Car: 2007 Prius Model: Package: #3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	Global Warming.. than with the War on Terror? Why do they insist that humans are the cause of this natural phenonemon.. yet women and children, daughters and sons, are being blown up everyday in the name of Muslim Terrorism... and the liberals shun Bush for taking a stand against it. Why is it that everytime someone discusses the reasons we are at war, a liberal jumps in and says "But the Christians did ______ in the 14th century!" .. or "Look at the KKK, they're evil Christians!" .. We are at war with Muslim Fundamentalists. We are losing soldiers everyday and liberals seem to spit on their efforts with their negativity and disapproval. I'm not sure how much clearer one can make it.. We are AT WAR WITH MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS. MUSLIM FUNDIES WANT TO KILL US. They want us to be under Sharia law, just like them. How does one have the cohones to make excuses for the Muslim Fundies actions? Why do liberals insist on trash-talking our soldiers and what they are doing. Liberals will throw it in the faces of those who support the War on Terrorism.. saying that WE created more violence and that WE are at fault.. I guess they don't realize that Saddam had killed over 2 million people.. The liberal media didn't report how terrible it was under the rule of Saddam, but now they're all over the place reporting how bad it is NOW.. they didn't do that THEN, when Saddam would kill hundreds of thousands on a whim. I'm just tired of liberals (mostly liberals, that is) making excuses for the Muslim Terrorists.. justifying or excusing their terrible actions by bringing up the Crusades, or the KKK, or any wing-nut Christian hate group. We're at freaking war... WAR people... We're losing men and women everyday over there.. so we don't lose them over HERE. Liberals are all for human rights, but they seem to ignore the fact that women are stoned, punished for being raped.. put on collars like dogs.. The atrocities are unfathomable.. and they hate us because we are not like THAT. I for one, appreciate my Religious Freedom.. Equality for men and women.. the Constitution, and all that America stands for. Keep catering to the Muslim Fundamentalists.. and they will bring MORE of their hate and violence to our country.

03-15-2007, 06:14 PM	#3
desynch Die-Hard Conservative Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lakehouse Posts: 607 My Car: 2007 Prius Model: Package: #3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	I see what you're saying efusco. Good answer... except for your belief that we shouldn't have gone after Iraq... take a look at where it is on the map. Tell me it wouldn't be great to have a stable Democracy there.. a strategic "strong hold", if you will. What manner would you suggest in dealing with a large population of Muslim Fundamentalists that dance in the streets when they destroy our trade center.. What manner would you suggest in dealing with a few Middle Eastern countries that are actively seeking WMD, nuclear and biological, in order to threaten our way of life? Saddam violated dozens of UN Resolutions.. so has Kim Jong Il. I guess, I'm asking, what do YOU suggest we do? Make more UN Resolutions? Write more mean letters to Kim Jong Il? Don't you want to protect Isreal from Iran? You do realize if it wasn't for us, Isreal would be wiped off the globe, right? I'm not picking on you, I am sincerely asking what agenda the liberals have in mind with this WAR? Remember.. we are at WAR. Bush has indeed made mistakes, plenty - but what have liberals done? Thus far, I've seen whining, disrespect for our troops, and other typical "Spit on a veteran" hippy crap. What would the liberals have done differently? Keep in mind, Bush acted on intelligence he had at the time. Would a Democrat have had some different info?

03-15-2007, 06:35 PM	#6
desynch Die-Hard Conservative Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lakehouse Posts: 607 My Car: 2007 Prius Model: Package: #3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	Ok, so lets say Bush was NOT misinformed and he straight up lied through his teeth... Why isn't he being tried as a war-criminal?

03-15-2007, 08:00 PM	#10
livelychick Missin' My Prius Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Central Virginia Posts: 1,086 My Car: Other Non-Hybrid Model: Package: N/A Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	I really wish we would have used Afghanistan as a "stronghold" of democracy. This liberal absolutely approved of knocking the Taliban on its ass. Too bad we didn't finish the job...