Global Warming Is Not A Crisis

[Michgal007]

GW is a crisis/ not a crisis to whom?

You, me, crocodiles, sea gulls??

See, a rise in temperature by a degree or two in a decade doesn't change my life. However, we have to think about the massive ice sheets that has been fallen on to the sea. This raises the sea level by say... a foot or two in the next 50 years? (I am not sure about the exact numbers.. just making a point). Someone is Colorado has no direct implications of this. It won't be a crisis for him/her. But, how about Maldives? Andaman Islands? The entire countries will be under water. That will be a crisis.

Think of crocodiles. Their gender depends on the temperature of the eggs while they are incubating. The difference between male and female is a mere 2 degrees. Now... this could affect them.

Temperatures in the world are constantly changing. The problem here is that it is changing way too fast for many creatures to adapt for it. We have to think about them too.

[Marlin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ Mar 20 2007, 09:44 AM) [snapback]408860[/snapback]</div>

Michael Crichton wrote a fictional book about global warming- that makes him an "expert". Just like he's an "expert", I suppose, on dinosaurs.
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Would you have welcomed Al Gore onto the panel? He's a scientist, right?

[larkinmj]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Mar 20 2007, 09:19 AM) [snapback]408872[/snapback]</div>

but then

Could someone please tell me how changing to CFLs, reducing fossil fuel use, driving a Prius, expanding wind and solar energy use, and reducing CO2 productiong could "only make thing[s] worse".
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Depends- how much stock do you own in ExxonMobil?

[KMO]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Marlin @ Mar 20 2007, 01:35 PM) [snapback]408878[/snapback]</div>

Would you have welcomed Al Gore onto the panel? He's a scientist, right?
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I wouldn't. I'd have preferred just climate scientists on both sides.

But I suppose that's a bit too idealistic. Scientists aren't necessarily great at presenting their arguments to a lay audience. Maybe both sides needed one "communicator", and the rest being scientists.

Or you could go even further, and go for the court-room approach - two "lawyers", and the scientists as witnesses.

It's certainly imbalanced though if it's scientists on one sides versus communicators on the other side. The former would win over an audience of scientists, the latter would win over an audience of laypeople. That seems to be what happened here, indeed.

[dbermanmd]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Marlin @ Mar 20 2007, 09:35 AM) [snapback]408878[/snapback]</div>

Would you have welcomed Al Gore onto the panel? He's a scientist, right?
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no, just a well documented looooser searching for another spotlight to focus on him. he should just go back to his large carbon footprint somewhere in nowheresville, TN and resume his fossil fuel consuming life style.

[efusco]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Mar 20 2007, 09:05 AM) [snapback]408884[/snapback]</div>

no, just a well documented looooser searching for another spotlight to focus on him. he should just go back to his large carbon footprint somewhere in nowheresville, TN and resume his fossil fuel consuming life style. [/b]

wow, lots of hate in that comment. Why do you not want him to use his influence and energy to create positive change? You shouldn't be concerned if he's such a loser.

[Stev0]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TimBikes @ Mar 20 2007, 01:52 AM) [snapback]408824[/snapback]</div>

"Before the debate, not-a-crisis got 30 percent of the vote. After, the number rose to 46 percent. The is-a-crisis tally dropped from 57 to 42."

Of course this neither proves nor disproves whether Global Warming is in fact a crisis, but does show that members of the audience found merit enough in the "it's not a crisis argument" to be swayed to a more skeptical position.

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Oh, yes. Scientists always take polls of random people to see if their hypotheses are correct, this the standard methodology.

[MegansPrius]

Crichton I've never been able to take seriously after I read his 1988 autobiography Travels. Some choice tidbits below:

The kind of evidence I have seen for clairvoyance or telepathy -- evidence that leads me to accept these phenomena as unquestionably real -- I have not experienced for the idea of past lives....

Of course, spoon bending has been the focus of long-standing controversy. Uri Gellar, an Israeli magician, who claims psychic powers, often bends spoons, but other magicians, such a James Randi, claim that spoon bending isn't a psychic phenomenon at all, just a trick...But I had bent a spoon, and I knew it wasn't at trick.... This seems to me to confirm the idea that so-called psychic or paranormal phenomena are misnamed. There's nothing abnormal about them. On the contrary, they're utterly normal. We've just forgotten we can do them. The minute we do do them, we recognize them for what they are and think, So what? ...

When I got home, I looked at people to see if I could still see auras. I could. It's fun to do. When dinner parties get boring, you just look at people's auras.
I somehow just can't take the guy seriously as a climate scientist. Even though The Andromeda Strain still rocks as a page-turner book.

[dbermanmd]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Mar 20 2007, 10:08 AM) [snapback]408887[/snapback]</div>

wow, lots of hate in that comment. Why do you not want him to use his influence and energy to create positive change? You shouldn't be concerned if he's such a loser.
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i do NOT hate algore - i feel sorry for him, he is sooo pathetic. if he were not born into a wealthy family he would probably in, according to johnkerry, in Iraq

Him creating positive change - lets see - HE HAD 8 FEAKEN YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND DID WHAT?

Now that he wants to angle back in there, or he wants some headlines, he creates an issue for himself that touches the correct buttons - and amazing enough - does not follow his own advice and even owns the carbon company he buys credits from - HOW IRONIC - SUCH A LOOOOOSER.

i am not concerned about algore - he has enough money for lifetimes - he is just missing the supratentorial portion of life. so sad, he could have followed in kennedy's footsteps (he would have to be alert and agile for that ) and done something besides the weight gain.

it is just tooo easy - and to think the dems ran him for president - ooopha - did we all get lucky there. God does intervene in mysterious ways.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MegansPrius @ Mar 20 2007, 10:49 AM) [snapback]408902[/snapback]</div>

Crichton I've never been able to take seriously
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and you take algore seriously :P at least Crichton is self-made, a VERY successful author, a med school graduate, very smart guy. algore is :

self made: N
smart: ?
successful author: ? successful movie producer - Y - non-fiction, hot button topic of the year


algore - proof that inheritance outways environment and nuture and nature

[larkinmj]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MegansPrius @ Mar 20 2007, 10:49 AM) [snapback]408902[/snapback]</div>

Crichton I've never been able to take seriously after I read his 1988 autobiography Travels. Some choice tidbits below:
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I was never able to take Crichton seriously after seeing "Disclosure." What guy would sue a company for sexual harassment because Demi Moore forced him to have sex with her?