Yet another stand on the issue of Global Warming

[adam1991]

http://tinyurl.com/2kdk2v

Danish scientist: Global warming is a mythCOPENHAGEN, Denmark, March 15 (UPI) -- A Danish scientist said the idea of a "global temperature" and global warming is more political than scientific.
University of Copenhagen Professor Bjarne Andresen has analyzed the topic in collaboration with Canadian Professors Christopher Essex from the University of Western Ontario and Ross McKitrick of the University of Guelph.


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[KMO]

Well, it's a novel approach, and right up adam1991's alley.

The basic argument is that there is no meaningful definition of "global temperature", as how do you take the "average" temperature of such a complex system?

Therefore, any statements about overall global temperature depend on how you calculate that average temperature.

Okay, I agree. But that tells us nothing about climate science in the slightist, or what is actually happening. It's the adam1991 "question everything" approach. I don't see any specific critiques of the averaging currently agreed on, or why another one would be better.

And on top of that, it's not as if climate science is really simplistically reducing everything to one average anyway. We can model and measure temperatures throughout the world, and watch the temperature in every region increase. Averages don't come into it, except for the purpose of producing overall headline figures.

Now, maybe he has an argument about specific headline figures. Maybe he might prefer a headline figure of +2.2C instead of +2.4C, say. But that doesn't change what's happening.

[Stev0]

I'll tell you what. You go up and convince the polar bears that Climate Change is a hoax and I'll believe you.

[MegansPrius]

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I'll tell you what. You go up and convince the polar bears that Climate Change is a hoax and I'll believe you.
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And heck, I'll further assert, that since we can't find the Graviton , there must be no gravity ... uh oh ... wait ... I'm floating away from the key bo r d

[Betelgeuse]

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And heck, I'll further assert, that since we can't find the Graviton , there must be no gravity ... uh oh ... wait ... I'm floating away from the key bo r d
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Yes. I believe this is the Wile E. Coyote theory of gravity (i.e. the effect of gravity will only change if you notice it).

[Stev0]

Remember, gravity is only a theory!

[larkinmj]

Gravity has a known liberal bias!

[Stev0]

That's right! Why can't they teach Intelligent Falling in our schools!

[larkinmj]

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That's right! Why can't they teach Intelligent Falling in our schools!
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[McShemp]

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I'll tell you what. You go up and convince the polar bears that Climate Change is a hoax and I'll believe you.
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This article disagrees with yours (no surprise). Basically, they are some groups of bears with declining populations, some with stable populations, and some with increasing populations. The article talks about why polar bear populations have risen over the past years and the effects of GW on their habitat. It's not all rosy, but it's not doom and gloom either.