Interesting Article on "Anthropogenic Climate Change"

[malorn]

http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/topstories/197613

A cooling Atlantic Ocean? Why is that kept so quiet?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/storm/content...ukmet_0621.html

[tochatihu]

Reid Bryson brings a lot of experience to the table. Out of great respect for him, I should not wish to speculate whether he is viewing objectively the more recent work in this field.

Temperature trends in the Atlantic *are* receiving a lot of attention. Here is something else recent on that subject:

http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/Pdf/heat_2006.pdf

It is not always in our best interest to rely on popular media sources concerning complex matters such as directional climate change. The primary scientific literature is certainly opaque at times, but that's where the action is.

[malorn]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tochatihu @ Jun 21 2007, 10:13 AM) [snapback]465735[/snapback]</div>

Reid Bryson brings a lot of experience to the table. Out of great respect for him, I should not wish to speculate whether he is viewing objectively the more recent work in this field.

Temperature trends in the Atlantic *are* receiving a lot of attention. Here is something else recent on that subject:

http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/Pdf/heat_2006.pdf

It is not always in our best interest to rely on popular media sources concerning complex matters such as directional climate change. The primary scientific literature is certainly opaque at times, but that's where the action is.
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I am no scientist, but this tells me the Atlantic Ocean is cooling does it not? How can the Atlantic Ocean be cooling if the atmosphere is heating up at an unprecedented rate?

[Rae Vynn]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Jun 21 2007, 09:06 AM) [snapback]465772[/snapback]</div>

I am no scientist, but this tells me the Atlantic Ocean is cooling does it not? How can the Atlantic Ocean be cooling if the atmosphere is heating up at an unprecedented rate?
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Change of current patterns.
Instead of warm water being brought up from the equator area (and, down from the equator area in the southern hemisphere), the cold waters of the polar regions are being drawn down.

[malorn]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rae Vynn @ Jun 21 2007, 11:09 AM) [snapback]465773[/snapback]</div>

Change of current patterns.
Instead of warm water being brought up from the equator area (and, down from the equator area in the southern hemisphere), the cold waters of the polar regions are being drawn down.
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Why? Where is the warm water form the equator going then? Again I am not a scientist, but I thought the polar regions were melting like crazy? Wouldn't this cause the atlantic Ocean to warm up as a whole?

[Rae Vynn]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Jun 21 2007, 09:11 AM) [snapback]465775[/snapback]</div>

Why? Where is the warm water form the equator going then? Again I am not a scientist, but I thought the polar regions were melting like crazy? Wouldn't this cause the atlantic Ocean to warm up as a whole?
[/b]

If you take a look at tochatihu's link, you'll see that a) the temperature measurement was for a limited area of the ocean, and b.) the equipment used for the measurement was found to be faulty.

Regions of the oceans have varying temperatures. If a particular area is warming or cooling, other areas may or may not also change. Assuming the tests are performed correctly.

Again, you should look at the link.

[hycamguy07]

Colder oceans has to be because of GW remember there are far too many jobs, departments, and gov funding depending upon GW. Becides there are a lot of people who's living depends on keeping the GW debate and the fear tactic going.


Malorn; wait for it....... There will come movie & tv show referals, not to mention other means of proving the GW debate to you..

I really believe its a natural occurence, ie a cycle in life we humans may be adding to the mix a little but from most of the information provided its based on natural progression.....

[Tyrin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Jun 21 2007, 11:11 AM) [snapback]465775[/snapback]</div>

Why? Where is the warm water form the equator going then? Again I am not a scientist, but I thought the polar regions were melting like crazy? Wouldn't this cause the atlantic Ocean to warm up as a whole?
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Lets see...tons of ice melting...nope doesn't make water warmer, least not the last time I had a glass of ice water.

The current is changing due to this influx of colder water. This is not some cover-up like you seem to be implying. Heck, the whole movie "The Day After Tomorrow" was based on this very scenario, albeit sped up to ridiculous Hollywood speeds.

[malorn]

[quote=Rae Vynn @ Jun 21 2007, 11:17 AM) [snapback]465778[/snapback]</div>

If you take a look at tochatihu's link, you'll see that a) the temperature measurement was for a limited area of the ocean, and b.) the equipment used for the measurement was found to be faulty.

Regions of the oceans have varying temperatures. If a particular area is warming or cooling, other areas may or may not also change. Assuming the tests are performed correctly.

Again, you should look at the link.
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I wonder if they would have found the ocean was heatin gup rapidly if they would have found they were using "faulty" equipment and had an addendum claiming they did not have a good sample?

It will be interesting to see who is closer to correct in hurricane predictions this year? The british at 10 or the Americans who again are claiming the sky is going to fall. I know who was closer last year. Brings up another question, are these hurricane prognosticators doing much more than guessing? And if that is what they are really doing, and we can;t predict hurricanes over the next three months with any certainty at all, how can we be making climate claims 5, 10, 50 or even 100 years into the future?



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tyrin @ Jun 21 2007, 11:20 AM) [snapback]465781[/snapback]</div>

Lets see...tons of ice melting...nope doesn't make water warmer, least not the last time I had a glass of ice water.

The current is changing due to this influx of colder water. This is not some cover-up like you seem to be implying. Heck, the whole movie "The Day After Tomorrow" was based on this very scenario, albeit sped up to ridiculous Hollywood speeds.
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The more I think about this the more suspicious I get. They publish and then come with a fairly major "disclaimer" now? Are these different instruments than they used when the ocean seemed to be wrming and they would report that? I would love to see the paper and email trail] NOAA on this report, looks like someone read the report and said "this can't be right, it would be a huge blow to AGW. Better fix it!"

[burritos]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Jun 21 2007, 09:05 AM) [snapback]465693[/snapback]</div>

A cooling Atlantic Ocean? Why is that kept so quiet?
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If you drop an ice cube into a cup of water what will the temperature of the water do?

You know that the polar ice caps are melting into the oceans right? Could that be the reason why the Atlantic Ocean is cooling?