Hurricane Activity Near Record Low

[TimBikes]

Along with the record HIGH antarctic ice extent this year, I bet you didn't see this in the news either...

"Unless a dramatic and historical flurry of activity occurs in the next 9 weeks, 2007 will rank as a historically inactive TC year for the Northern Hemisphere as a whole. During past 30 years, only 1977 has had less activity to date Jan 1-Oct 30..."

See link.

Just thought I'd spread a little good news instead of the usual media-driven global warming doom and gloom!

[dbermanmd]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TimBikes @ Oct 31 2007, 03:21 AM) [snapback]532802[/snapback]</div>

Along with the record HIGH antarctic ice extent this year, I bet you didn't see this in the news either...

"Unless a dramatic and historical flurry of activity occurs in the next 9 weeks, 2007 will rank as a historically inactive TC year for the Northern Hemisphere as a whole. During past 30 years, only 1977 has had less activity to date Jan 1-Oct 30..."

See link.

Just thought I'd spread a little good news instead of the usual media-driven global warming doom and gloom!
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Very nice job. I am slightly disappointed that some true believer did not chime in with something along the lines.... "this is exactly what we would expect global warming to be responsible for" Did al gore comment on these facts yet? It is only a matter of time before he takes credit for turning around and curing the Earth of Global Warming

[patsparks]

Global warming opens Arctic seabed to the search for oil and gas

30 Oct 2007 bbj.huAs the ice retreats, nations try to advance their undersea borders and resource claims.
Read more here. http://www.bbj.hu/main/news_32800_global+w...il+and+gas.html
Remember this is a global problem not a regional problem. There is no point picking one event in isolation, you need to look at the whole world. I'm not saying the arctic melt proves global warming, that would be making the same silly mistake you made but it does counter your argument based on the size of the Antarctic ice cap. I'll go with the opinion of the majority of climatologists. (did I spell that right?)

[efusco]

Anyone who understands global warming would not react to this "news". Seasonal variations are normal, it's about the trends...gimme 10 more years with a trend of decreasing hurricane numbers and then post up and we'll discuss the significance.

Arctic and Antarctic ICE are totally different...those aren't seasonal variations and monitoring can be done over long periods of time and both show unnatural trends.

[dbermanmd]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Oct 31 2007, 08:50 AM) [snapback]532848[/snapback]</div>

Anyone who understands global warming would not react to this "news". Seasonal variations are normal, it's about the trends...gimme 10 more years with a trend of decreasing hurricane numbers and then post up and we'll discuss the significance.

Arctic and Antarctic ICE are totally different...those aren't seasonal variations and monitoring can be done over long periods of time and both show unnatural trends.
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I think 10 years might not even be enough - but fine.

Anyhow, how have you been? Did you ever get to try the Three Rings Shiraz?

Have a nice day.

David

[TonyPSchaefer]

In other statistical news, Mark McGuire sometimes went multiple games in a row without a single hit.

[dbermanmd]

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In other statistical news, Mark McGuire sometimes went multiple games in a row without a single hit.
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Only when he wasn't juicing

Did you see how small he got since he retired!

Cant wait to see Barry Bonds in two or three years

[nyprius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TimBikes @ Oct 31 2007, 03:21 AM) [snapback]532802[/snapback]</div>

Just thought I'd spread a little good news instead of the usual media-driven global warming doom and gloom!
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This sounds like another attempt to say global warming isn't happening or that it's a natural phenomena.

It's interesting that there is virtual unanimity in the scientific communtiy that humans are driving global warming (hundreds of peer reviewed studies saying humans are driving it, zero saying we're not). And yet, many people believe it's not happening. Why? This speaks to how easily people can be misled. The average citizen doesn't have time to study complex issues. So they take the opinion of those they trust without thinking. This is called blind faith. It's also what we did in the dark ages. Religion and superstition came before science. People who said the Earth revolved around the sun were put to death.

Sadly, it seems we're slipping back to this irrational behavior. You don't simply dismiss the scientific community as being liberal if they say something you disagree with. That's childish, irrational behavior.

We must move beyond blind faith to make our world a better place not worse. That means thinking for ourselves. Putting aside the science, common sense is enough to figure out the logical position on global warming. We know we're pulling literally millions of years of carbon out of the ground and putting it in the sky as a known heat trapping atmospheric gas in a short period of time. Taking the default position that this is probably OK is an insult to logic. Assuming that it's OK to massively alter the system that keeps us alive is crazy and hugely irresponsible to our children.

Saying global warming is a natural phenomena is an illogical red herring that only a non-thinking person could buy into. Global warming opponents (ie: those that have been duped into believing the self-serving arguments of Exxon and others) say that warming and cooling cycles have always occurred. Therefore, today's warming is natural. That's insane. It's two separate issues. Of course warming and cooling cycles are natural. The separate issue is, are humans accelerating this natural trend. If we pull millions of years of carbon out of the ground and put it in the sky as CO2 in a short period of time, it is logical to assume we are.

Beyond that, the smartest people in the world on this issue say we are driving global warming.

It's time to end the insane, childish, stupid debate about whether or not global warming is happening. Only someone who is not using their mind could say it isn't happening. We need to move into decisive action to protect our children and do what's right for all of human society.

[daniel]

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The extent of the seasonal Antarctic sea ice. Ice which forms in winter and melts in summer. And the "record" high is so close to what it is every year as to be insignificant except as a normal fluctuation. And the chart only goes back 30 years.

Meanwhile, the extent of the overall ice sheet (as well as northern hemisphere ice) is decreasing.

[dbermanmd]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nyprius @ Oct 31 2007, 09:56 AM) [snapback]532874[/snapback]</div>

This sounds like another attempt to say global warming isn't happening or that it's a natural phenomena.

It's interesting that there is virtual unanimity in the scientific communtiy that humans are driving global warming (hundreds of peer reviewed studies saying humans are driving it, zero saying we're not). And yet, many people believe it's not happening. Why? This speaks to how easily people can be misled. The average citizen doesn't have time to study complex issues. So they take the opinion of those they trust without thinking. This is called blind faith. It's also what we did in the dark ages. Religion and superstition came before science. People who said the Earth revolved around the sun were put to death.

Sadly, it seems we're slipping back to this irrational behavior. You don't simply dismiss the scientific community as being liberal if they say something you disagree with. That's childish, irrational behavior.

We must move beyond blind faith to make our world a better place not worse. That means thinking for ourselves. Putting aside the science, common sense is enough to figure out the logical position on global warming. We know we're pulling literally millions of years of carbon out of the ground and putting it in the sky as a known heat trapping atmospheric gas in a short period of time. Taking the default position that this is probably OK is an insult to logic. Assuming that it's OK to massively alter the system that keeps us alive is crazy and hugely irresponsible to our children.

Saying global warming is a natural phenomena is an illogical red herring that only a non-thinking person could buy into. Global warming opponents (ie: those that have been duped into believing the self-serving arguments of Exxon and others) say that warming and cooling cycles have always occurred. Therefore, today's warming is natural. That's insane. It's two separate issues. Of course warming and cooling cycles are natural. The separate issue is, are humans accelerating this natural trend. If we pull millions of years of carbon out of the ground and put it in the sky as CO2 in a short period of time, it is logical to assume we are.

Beyond that, the smartest people in the world on this issue say we are driving global warming.

It's time to end the insane, childish, stupid debate about whether or not global warming is happening. Only someone who is not using their mind could say it isn't happening. We need to move into decisive action to protect our children and do what's right for all of human society.
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You frame the arguement if a very self-serving fashion. I along with lots of others including prominent climatologists do not believe man is responsible for global warming if that is indeed what is happening now.

and if you are correct... how do you fix it? how do you get india and china to go along especially since china is the # 1 producer of greenhouse gases now?