You are here: PriusChat Forums


Go Back   PriusChat Forums > PriusChat Forums > Fred's House of Pancakes
Connect with Facebook

This is a discussion on Why we're paying more for petrol & other commodities within the Fred's House of Pancakes forums, part of the PriusChat Forums category; ICE, ICE, Baby, conclusion | Ed Wallace | Star-Telegram.com Record high prices without record low oil inventories, analysts saying that ...


Why we're paying more for petrol & other commodities

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-05-2008, 03:40 PM   #1
zenMachine
Just another Onionhead
 
zenMachine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,080
My Car: 2007 Prius
Model:
Package: #3
Thanks: 14
Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts
Friends: 0
Default Why we're paying more for petrol & other commodities

ICE, ICE, Baby, conclusion | Ed Wallace | Star-Telegram.com

Record high prices without record low oil inventories, analysts saying that so much money flows into oil commodities that it gives the impression of shortages, when in fact no shortage exists.

... That’s right; food, oil and gasoline have become an "asset class." No longer are you fighting a neighbor at the supermarket over the last box of Cheerios®; now you’re fighting the futures traders, who are actually determining what you will pay for that cereal.

.... The late, infamous Enron head, Ken Lay, realized in the eighties that he could make more money bidding up energy in the futures market than by actually creating and selling energy. But, under then-current rules, how much you could make swapping paper was limited. Fortuitously, Lay had excellent Texas political connections; and in November of 1992, the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission moved to exempt energy-derivative contracts and related swaps from any government oversight.


A vote was hurriedly put together before the Clinton White House would take over, and so Lay could finally start "dark" – unregulated – futures trading. The head of the CFTC was Wendy Gramm, wife of Texas Senator Phil Gramm; five weeks after she left, she became a board member of Enron in Houston.


Fast-forward to late 2000 and H.R. 5660, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, sponsored by Republican Congressman Thomas Ewing of Illinois. That bill went nowhere, even though Tom Delay’s wife Christine was then working for a Washington lobbying firm, Alexander Strategies – which Enron had paid $200,000 to push through legislation for permanent energy deregulation in these "dark" markets.


Six months later came Senate Bill 3283, also named the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. This time around the sponsor was Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, and now Phil Gramm was listed as one of the bill’s co-sponsors. Like it had in the House, this bill was destined to go nowhere until, late one night, it was attached as a rider to an 11,000-page appropriations bill – which was signed into law by President Clinton.


Now traders had an officially deregulated market for energy futures. Worse, that bill also deregulated many financial instruments – including the collateralized debt obligations that are at the center of today’s mortgage crisis, which may well cost us more than $1 trillion before it’s over...
zenMachine is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 06:30 PM   #2
FL_Prius_Driver
Senior Member
 
FL_Prius_Driver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 1,845
My Car: 2001 Prius
Model:
Package: N/A
Thanks: 4
Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts
Friends: 2
Default Re: Why we're paying more for petrol & other commodities

11,000 pages? Did I read that right?
FL_Prius_Driver is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 07:01 PM   #3
daniel
Cat Lovers Against the Bomb
 
daniel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 11,331
My Car: 2004 Prius
Model:
Package: #6
Thanks: 60
Thanked 223 Times in 137 Posts
Friends: 0
Default Re: Why we're paying more for petrol & other commodities

Yep. It was an omnibus bill. The deregulation of derivative contracts was just a bit of it.
daniel is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 07:14 PM   #4
rfruth
Senior Member
 
rfruth's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Houston, Tx
Posts: 346
My Car: Other Hybrid
Model: N/A
Package: N/A
Thanks: 26
Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts
Friends: 23
Question Re: Why we're paying more for petrol & other commodities

What happened today (Thursday 06-05) - the price of a barrel of crude had been coming down the last few days then today it shot up $ 5.49 ! (biggest one-day gain in dollar terms on record, U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) and Nymex) no storm in the gulf, relatively ok in the mid east

Last edited by rfruth; 06-05-2008 at 07:30 PM. Reason: typo
rfruth is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 08:08 PM   #5
duanelaugh
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bradenton fl area
Posts: 57
My Car: 2006 Prius
Model:
Package: #3
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Friends: 0
Default Re: Why we're paying more for petrol & other commodities

What happened today (Thursday 06-05) - the price of a barrel of crude had been coming down the last few days then today it shot up $ 5.49 ! (biggest one-day gain in dollar terms on record, U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) and Nymex) no storm in the gulf, relatively ok in the mid east



I think I read that some of the traders discovered that a group of monkeys in Africa came in heat !!!
duanelaugh is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Diesel or Hybrid or Petrol AussieOwner Prius and Hybrid News 23 11-27-2007 08:40 PM
Battery developers are white-hot commodities in Detroit hb06 Prius and Hybrid News 0 01-26-2007 02:49 AM
My first tank of petrol kentricho Gen II Prius Fuel Economy 3 09-07-2006 11:55 PM
Petrol engine cuts in more than I expected adrianz Gen II Prius Main Forum 7 01-25-2006 03:37 PM
Diesel or Hybrid or Petrol AussieOwner Gen II Prius Main Forum 0 12-31-1969 07:00 PM


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2