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apparently, to some, it's ok to try to kill people who work to improve the lives of others through animal research. because animal research is wrong, no matter how much human suffering these noble creatures have prevented through their sacrifices for research. and people who work with animals should be punished by terrorist attacks.


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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The FBI is investigating two firebombings targeting scientists at the University of California, Santa Cruz, as the latest in a rash of attacks against biomedical researchers who experiment on animals, authorities said.

One scientist and his family, including two small children, were forced to flee from a second-story window Saturday after a firebomb was lit on their front porch, filling the off-campus house with smoke, Santa Cruz police said. An adult was treated for minor injuries at a hospital and released.

Police were investigating the attack as attempted murder, said Santa Cruz police Capt. Steve Clark.
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this statement from ALF spokesperson just infuriates me:
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A spokesman for the North American Animal Liberation press office, which commonly posts messages from groups taking credit for animal rights violence, issued a statement Sunday saying it had not received any claims of responsibility for the attacks.

"It's regrettable that certain scientists are willing to put their families at risk by choosing to do wasteful animal experiments," press office spokesman Jerry Vlasak said in the statement.
i feel nothing but disgust over this incident. if only these people had as much respect for human lives, for people and their families, as they did for the animals. animal research is a tough issue, and nobody really wants to hurt another creature, even a rat. except these people. the ALF spokesman has actually come out and advocated violence against animal researchers. ADVOCATED! we researchers take every step possible to minimize pain and suffering, ALF people are taking steps to cause it.

that's just what we need in this world. more reasons to kill each other.
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:56 PM   #2
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WTF is wrong with people???
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:17 PM   #3
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I've always considered the life of a person more valuable than the life of an animal. I love my dog. I love animals. But I think a person trumps an animal.

I DO NOT believe scientists are sadistic. I do not believe they mistreat their animals or take pleasure making them suffer. I believe they act as humanely as possible to save human life.

Those that take insulin or wear contact lenses or have pacemakers should thank them and the animals that made it possible. I'm sure Galaxee could add to that list.

PETA are beyond fruitcakes. Nutso. Whacko. <insert appropriate insanity nomenclature here.>

Whatever PETA says I automatically assume to be a a lie and take the opposite stance.

PETA kills.

"When People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) Vice President Bruce Freidrich famously told a convention of animal rights activists that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows [is] a great way to bring about animal liberation,” and added “Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it,” it turns out he was very well plugged in to the movement. This morning, we imagine PETA’s number-two is directing his Hallelujahs toward Santa Cruz, California. That’s where two biomedical researchers were the victims of premeditated animal-rights firebombs over the weekend. In one attack, a university researcher’s family (including two small children) narrowly escaped a smoke-filled home through a second-story window after their home was firebombed. The other arson attack engulfed a scientist’s car on the campus of U.C. Santa Cruz. Just last week a series of “wanted” posters surfaced in Santa Cruz featuring the names, photos, phone numbers, and home addresses of researchers whose work involves the use of animals. They read, in part: “[B]eware; we know where you live; we know where you work; we will never back down.”
In this morning’s San Jose Mercury News, long-time animal-rights violence promoter Jerry Vlasak called the arson attacks “necessary” to bring about the goals of his movement. Vlasak is best known for openly advocating the “political assassination” of medical researchers in 2003, while a spokesman for the PETA-affiliated Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). “For 5 lives, 10 lives, 15 human lives,” Vlasak said, “we could save a million, 2 million, 10 million non-human lives.” Luckily, no one perished in Saturday’s vicious attacks. But we’re chalking that up to luck, not design.
It’s important to remember that the animal rights movement is one big happy family. Its leaders have decided that the life of a lab rat is so important that human suffering -- whether from AIDS, breast cancer, leukemia, tuberculosis, or any other disease -- simply isn’t reason enough to justify the forward march of science. And these activists who want legal standing for lab rats are the very same people who want “rights” for cows, chickens, and pigs."
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Old 08-05-2008, 11:17 PM   #4
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Two wrongs don't make a right. A friend of mine has a former research cat that someone apparently had "freed". She would have starved to death if she was not found in time. Sugar will never be normal but will always be loved as long as she lives. We had no idea why she behaved as she did until the vet found the tattoo hidden beneath her fur. I hope someday there will be a better way.
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i sincerely hope that this attack is used to the detriment of groups who are involved. if you can justify killing people because of what they do for a living, something is seriously wrong.
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There is tremendous irony that you seek to save some of these terrorists lives with your work, yet they would find it fitting to kill you.

Not that I'm an advocate of animal testing. I've just found a more peaceful (and probably effective) means of making my position known.
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People Eating Tasty Animals

I've heard of them, some sort of food group, right???



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While i in no way agree with their methods, there are limited cases where i do agree with the philosophy against animal testing. In general, i think i draw the line between cosmetic, optional products (make up, shampoo, other such chemicals) and medical treatments. My company does do some limited animal testing, and i know we go out of our way to ensure the animal is comfortable through the entire process. And i also know that this animal testing is the only reason we have our products on the market, saving lives today.
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For cosmetics, et al, I never purchase from a company that tests on animals as there is no reason that these companies should still be employing these methods when there are clear alternatives.

I'm unclear about drugs. Aren't there now many alternatives for the testing of pharmaceuticals, such as in vitro testing, and that drug companies don't employ these new methods due to increased cost?
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Personally, I don't want to use an eyeliner or mascara that might cause me to go blind.

Anyone against testing for drugs doesn't remember Tholidomide.
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