4 more explosions in London

[Danny]

So far they appear to have just been detonators, without any explosives. Same thing as 7/7 - 3 subway explosions, 1 bus.

Read the BBC for news on it. US news outlets don't have diddly for information yet:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm

[Tideland Prius]

http://www.canada.com/national/features/lo...d3-95f68766d2d1


This appears to be just smoke and a small bomb enough to destroy the backpack only.

[Danny]

Yep, it appears to be terrorists saying, "Be afraid, because every 2 weeks you never know if we're going to blow you up or just try to scare you."

[Tadashi]

Too bad someone did not tackle the guy that dropped the bag and hold him down for the police.

[Orsino]

Can't wait for Blair to try to claim--again--that these attacks had nothing to do with British occupation forces in Iraq. :|

[Sufferin' Prius Envy]

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Can't wait for Blair to try to claim--again--that these attacks had nothing to do with British occupation forces in Iraq. :|[/b]

If you believe these attacks are about Iraq, you are delusional!

Are you actually trying to say that these attacks would have never happened if the Iraq War never took place????

How then do you explain . . .

February 26, 1993 World Trade Center Bombing.
October 12, 2000 USS Cole Bombing.
October 12, 2002 Bali Bombing.


. . . and the myriad of other foiled plots and terrorist attacks which are Pre Iraq War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_attacks#2000

Face the facts Orisno,
YOU ARE AN INFIDEL, AND THEY WANT YOU DEAD. PERIOD!
The only negotiation they wish to do is when and where you and the rest of the non-Islamic world will die.

[prius04]

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If you believe these attacks are about Iraq, you are delusional!  
 
Are you actually trying to say that these attacks would have never happened if the Iraq War never took place????  
 
How then do you explain . . .  
 
February 26, 1993 World Trade Center Bombing.  
October 12, 2000  USS Cole Bombing.  
October 12, 2002 Bali Bombing.  
 
[/b]

Actually, most reality based people believe this. There were 3 recent independent studies by GW's CIA, an Isreali study, and a Saudi Arabian study that all indicated that thanks to GW's war, more and more "middle class" Arabs are now joining the terrorist cause. And they are joining in droves.

In fact, you cited 3 major events over 9 years. We are now seeing 3 major events every few weeks.

Thanks to GW for making us safer.

[Orsino]

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Can't wait for Blair to try to claim--again--that these attacks had nothing to do with British occupation forces in Iraq. :|[/b]

If you believe these attacks are about Iraq, you are delusional!

Are you actually trying to say that these attacks would have never happened if the Iraq War never took place????

How then do you explain . . .

February 26, 1993 World Trade Center Bombing.
October 12, 2000 USS Cole Bombing.
October 12, 2002 Bali Bombing.


. . . and the myriad of other foiled plots and terrorist attacks which are Pre Iraq War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_attacks#2000

Face the facts Orisno,
YOU ARE AN INFIDEL, AND THEY WANT YOU DEAD. PERIOD!
The only negotiation they wish to do is when and where you and the rest of the non-Islamic world will die.[/b][/quote]

Baloney. Your "facts" have nothing to do with Great Britain.

Britain angers fundamentalist Muslims by participating in the Iraq occupation. When Britain witdraws, it will face fewer attacks.

Or had you noticed a lot of such attacks before the Iraq invasion?

[Sufferin' Prius Envy]

All wars have a bell curve of violence. Unfortunately, we are in the upswing of this war. That is why terror attacks are coming at an increased rate, not because of some current event.

You are correct in that if GB (or any country that is a victim of terrorism) capitulates, the war would be over sooner than later. Unfortunately that end would come when all “infidels” are dead. That is their objective in waging this war. Using current events as a “reason” for any particular terrorist attack by an Islamic extremist is being very narrow sighted, and it just plays into their hand.

So what did Egypt do to deserve the terror recent attack at Sharm el-Sheik?
Egypt is an Islamic country, and not involved in fighting in Iraq.
So what is the excuse for THIS bombing?

Why was there a terror attack in Bali, Indonesia in 2002?
Again, an Islamic country not involved in a perceived Holy War against Islam.
So why Indonesia? What did Indonesia do?

These attacks are attacks at Westerners in general. PERIOD!

Tony Blair is correct. The attacks in London have nothing to do with Iraq.
Trying to pin the attacks in London on involvement in Iraq is a prime example of the tactic of Divide an Conquer.

The tactic:
Beat-up a friend of your enemy. (You hate the friend anyway) Then tell the friend you beat-them-up only because they are a friend of your enemy . . . and you will continue to do so until they stop associating with your enemy. Divide and Conquer!

A very good example of Divide and Conquer:
The Cuban Missile Crisis. President Kenney telling Russia that any missile launched from Cuba at the USA would be considered an attack from Russia. That statement sent poo flowing into Nikita Khrushchev’s pants. Khrushchev could no longer trust Castro as a nuclear partner against the USA. Russia quickly removed the missiles. If Russia could trust Castro not to inappropriately launch the missiles, WHY REMOVE THEM? Why disarm your friend? - They were divided and conquered! Friends not trusting friends.

Stop making excuses for terrorists.

[Orsino]

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All wars have a bell curve of violence.  Unfortunately, we are in the upswing of this war. That is why terror attacks are coming at an increased rate, not because of some current event.

You are correct in that if GB (or any country that is a victim of terrorism) capitulates, the war would be over sooner than later.  Unfortunately that end would come when all “infidels” are dead.  That is their objective in waging this war.  Using current events as a “reason” for any particular terrorist attack by an Islamic extremist  is being very narrow sighted, and it just plays into their hand.

So what did Egypt do to deserve the terror recent attack at Sharm el-Sheik?
Egypt is an Islamic country, and not involved in fighting in Iraq.
So what is the excuse for THIS bombing?

Why was there a terror attack in Bali, Indonesia in 2002?
Again, an Islamic country not involved in a perceived Holy War against Islam.
So why Indonesia?  What did Indonesia do?  

These attacks are attacks at Westerners in general.  PERIOD![/b]

You're contradicting yourself. Egypt and Indonesia are not Western nations.

Egypt is, however, a partner in the "coalition of the willing."

You're also changing the subject. Or can you possibly believe that the terrorists want to waste their resources striking at infidels who aren't invading or supporting the opppression of their nations? Can you possibly think that a terrorist cell would pass up a chance to strike against a major partner in the "war on terr" in favor of bombing a cafe in, say, Switzerland? Why do you think they ignored Bern, a city full of infidels, in favor of multiple attacks in London--which has a greater concentration of Muslims?

No, they'll strike against the interests of the nations they fear, or act to overthrow their own governments if they see a chance to set up a fundamentalist regime more to their liking. Even when they strike against Western civilians, they are hoping to influence governments. They aren't just insane haters who kill for fun; they are killers driven by political forces, too.

As killers, they could efficiently murder individuals--drag someone into an alley and cut his throat. That they don't do a lot of this, that they concentrate their resources so as to cause the greatest terror, shows that they do manage to keep the mindless impulse to kill in check.

Failing to understand that the terrorists have some legitimate gripes mixed in with all the murderous hate dooms us to an eternal cycle of retaliation.