Still outshined by the Honda Insight !!

FireEngineer · 06-11-2007, 12:51 PM

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The Honda 2 seater hybrid can't pulse and glide like a Prius . . .[/b]

Not in the same way as a Prius but with FAS or a injector kill switch it sure can. The Insight marathon used pulse and glide to get over 1500 miles on a tank.

Wayne

MSantos · 06-12-2007, 02:48 PM

Add a little perpective too... for fairness:

The basic Insight technology saw its first light in 1999.
The current Prius II platform appeared in 2004 (roughly 5 years later).

A more appropriate comparison of the underlying technologies and FE potential would have to be made with its contemporary competitor, the Prius I.

Cheers;

MSantos

Rest · 06-12-2007, 03:43 PM

I used to own a Honda Insight before I got my Prius. It was a CVT Insight and still got better mileage than the Prius. But you have to remember the Insight is a much lighter vehicle and only carries two people. I like my Prius much better as it is more normal looking and it uses regular tires. The U.S. version of the Insight doesn't have a NAV option. Also the Insight aluminum body dents easier and is harder to repair.

Delta Flyer · 06-22-2007, 11:42 AM

Last summer, I took a 40-mile round trip from I470 and I70 leaving Denver west to Idaho Springs and back - a little over 70mpg on my 2000 5-speed Insight. Was pleased that I could go the speed limit (unlike the 1988 CRX HF[essentially a non-hybrid Insight] I had - maxed at 50mph

) Still, it was not easy in this extreme mountain country - a gain of 1,500 feet overlooks the constant acents and decents. So the answer is mountains can be done, but it's going to be more work.

If a Prius is like a Mac, then an Insight is like a Linux computer. I look forward to getting more time in a Prius this summer. Again, the Insight is like a Linux in that extra discretionary power can help or hurt you. Specifically, it's using a manual transmission in a hybrid in the hands of the careless can deep drain the hybrid pack and shorten it's life. It's caused by those with a heavy foot that upshift too much too soon - approching the lugging zone. The solution is don't treat the Insight like a sports car - that's not what it was intended for.

Clearly the Prius is more marketable than the Insight, but it could benefit from it in a couple of ways. First, make the Prius lighter with materials less expensive than aluminum - advances are being made in high strength steel and carbon fibre. The other things is put more instrumentation in the dashboard - it seems they are doing that with the Camry hybrid.

I don't know what Honda will do next, and the Insight is a hard act to follow in fuel economy, so last week I ordered a MIMA kit - a manual override so the driver can control the Assist/Charging. (www.99mpg.com) Other users of this generally get 20% more fuel economy.

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06-12-2007, 02:48 PM	#12
MSantos Skeptical Accelerometrist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada, Winnipeg Posts: 241 My Car: 2007 Prius Package: Base Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Add a little perpective too... for fairness: The basic Insight technology saw its first light in 1999. The current Prius II platform appeared in 2004 (roughly 5 years later). A more appropriate comparison of the underlying technologies and FE potential would have to be made with its contemporary competitor, the Prius I. Cheers; MSantos

06-12-2007, 03:43 PM	#13
Rest Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: CA Posts: 757 My Car: 2007 Prius Package: N/A Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I used to own a Honda Insight before I got my Prius. It was a CVT Insight and still got better mileage than the Prius. But you have to remember the Insight is a much lighter vehicle and only carries two people. I like my Prius much better as it is more normal looking and it uses regular tires. The U.S. version of the Insight doesn't have a NAV option. Also the Insight aluminum body dents easier and is harder to repair.

06-22-2007, 11:42 AM	#14
Delta Flyer Honda Enzyte Driver Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lewisville, TX (Dallas area) Posts: 1,013 My Car: Other Hybrid Package: N/A Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 1	Last summer, I took a 40-mile round trip from I470 and I70 leaving Denver west to Idaho Springs and back - a little over 70mpg on my 2000 5-speed Insight. Was pleased that I could go the speed limit (unlike the 1988 CRX HF[essentially a non-hybrid Insight] I had - maxed at 50mph ) Still, it was not easy in this extreme mountain country - a gain of 1,500 feet overlooks the constant acents and decents. So the answer is mountains can be done, but it's going to be more work. If a Prius is like a Mac, then an Insight is like a Linux computer. I look forward to getting more time in a Prius this summer. Again, the Insight is like a Linux in that extra discretionary power can help or hurt you. Specifically, it's using a manual transmission in a hybrid in the hands of the careless can deep drain the hybrid pack and shorten it's life. It's caused by those with a heavy foot that upshift too much too soon - approching the lugging zone. The solution is don't treat the Insight like a sports car - that's not what it was intended for. Clearly the Prius is more marketable than the Insight, but it could benefit from it in a couple of ways. First, make the Prius lighter with materials less expensive than aluminum - advances are being made in high strength steel and carbon fibre. The other things is put more instrumentation in the dashboard - it seems they are doing that with the Camry hybrid. I don't know what Honda will do next, and the Insight is a hard act to follow in fuel economy, so last week I ordered a MIMA kit - a manual override so the driver can control the Assist/Charging. (www.99mpg.com) Other users of this generally get 20% more fuel economy.