Hydrogen assist

[etyler88]

Anybody know anything about a hydrogen assist for gas engines?

I saw a guy with a Chrysler Concorde that he added a kit to create hydrogen and inject into the fuel-air mixture while driving. It had a water tank and took electricity from the alternator to create hydrogen. he said he got about 20 % better mpg. Anybody know about this hydrogen assist?

[bwilson4web]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(etyler88 @ Jul 9 2007, 08:36 AM) [snapback]475462[/snapback]</div>

Anybody know anything about a hydrogen assist for gas engines?

I saw a guy with a Chrysler Concorde that he added a kit to create hydrogen and inject into the fuel-air mixture while driving. It had a water tank and took electricity from the alternator to create hydrogen. he said he got about 20 % better mpg. Anybody know about this hydrogen assist?
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In past discussions, the only hypothesis that makes sense is hydrogen may improve ignition . . . in a marginal car. IMHO, if it helps, the engine probably has many other problems that need to be fixed first. I believe Mythbusters did a test and busted it.

Bob Wilson

[etyler88]

Thanks Bob.

[vuapplepudding]

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In past discussions, the only hypothesis that makes sense is hydrogen may improve ignition . . . in a marginal car. IMHO, if it helps, the engine probably has many other problems that need to be fixed first. I believe Mythbusters did a test and busted it.

Bob Wilson
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Thanks Bob, I was wondering about this too.

Some companies on the internet try to cell these hydrogen generators for thousands of dollars says that it will save you on fuel. The problem with this is that it still requires the mechanical power of the engine to produce electricity from the alternator, and then it must use the electricity to produce the hydrogen. Each step has its inefficiencies and waste "energy". So how can that be good for fuel efficiency? As an extra boost I can see it helping, but for fuel efficiency, I think it is a scam.

[qbee42]

It's snake oil. Yes, hydrogen does burn, and if you inject it you will get some extra mileage, but it takes more power to separate the hydrogen than you recover from burning it, so your net is an energy loss. Save yourself the trouble and use a few $20 bills for fire starters.

Tom

[brick]

This is something I have seen done in a university laboratory. Adding hydrogen to the intake charge does impact combustion, and generally for the better. But it won't do a lick of good in a regular ICE. If it were purpose built for a hydrogen/gasoline mix (fuel on the lean side, perhaps higher compression) then sure you could take advantage of it. Personally I'll stick to sane driving methods to deliver better fuel economy.

[randreed]

I think it would work about as good as filling the tires with hydrogen to make the car lighter!

[alexstarfire]

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In past discussions, the only hypothesis that makes sense is hydrogen may improve ignition . . . in a marginal car. IMHO, if it helps, the engine probably has many other problems that need to be fixed first. I believe Mythbusters did a test and busted it.

Bob Wilson
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Mythbusters actually got a regular car to run off of nothing but hydrogen by pumping pure hydrogen into the alternator, if I remember correctly.

[alanh]

Into the carb, actually. It did actually run, but also backfired. (They used an older non-fuel injected car to test the "100 MPG carburetor" myth.)

Their electrolysis rig was not able to make enough H2 to run the car. They used bottled H2 for their run test, which was probably way more expensive than the gasoline.

[1fixitman]

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Into the carb, actually. It did actually run, but also backfired. (They used an older non-fuel injected car to test the "100 MPG carburetor" myth.)

Their electrolysis rig was not able to make enough H2 to run the car. They used bottled H2 for their run test, which was probably way more expensive than the gasoline.
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Stanley Meyer built a system that could run on water to power a dune buggy. He was poisoned the day before he was to meet with an investor that was "going to market the device"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JagAv2nUE

watch a movie on http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com after you watch the stanley meyer youtube video.

Since 1924 phones and mobile devices have come a long way.
Since 1924 the gas milage on cars has not changed. Why do you think this is true?
Watch the above videos.

here is another video of a man that runs a car on water except he seperates the hydrogen and oxygen after it is created and mixes them at different rations for putting into the combustion chamber.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j7d-FJ7TQk&NR=1