Shell gas

[catgic]

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[fred s]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(catgic @ Jul 30 2007, 01:57 PM) [snapback]487510[/snapback]</div>

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Somebody wasted a whole lotta time typing up a page of fluff just to post a "stab at humor" style photochop?

[JimN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fred S @ Aug 17 2007, 04:18 PM) [snapback]498003[/snapback]</div>

Somebody wasted a whole lotta time typing up a page of fluff just to post a "stab at humor" style photochop?
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Good work catgic. If the National Enquirer had an Auto section they would pick this up.

[hobbit]

catgic, you're a total nutcase. I mean that in the most
complimentary way, of course..
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_H*

[doyourealize]

From my understanding, gas stations have been using ethanol as additive for several years now to make the gas burn cleaner, so you've probably been using ethanol in your tank without even realizing it. I think the stickers are probably just part of some new legislation requiring disclosure, or perhaps part of the lobbying power of the industry.

I personally don't use Shell (or Exxon or Mobil or a few others) after reading a lot of information on their ethics and practices (look up the Ken Saro-wiwa execution in Nigeria). I think part of our responsibilities of liberating ourselves from foreign oil dependency is to keep large multi-nationals accountable for their actions.

Is ethanol the answer for the future? I think that's a big fat "NO", but taking a small mpg hit to at least reduce our foreign crude use is perfectly acceptable to me, especially since, as Prius owners, we are now getting at least twice, sometimes 3 or 4x the gas mileage we used to.

[JimN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doyourealize @ Aug 18 2007, 09:30 AM) [snapback]498284[/snapback]</div>

From my understanding, gas stations have been using ethanol as additive for several years now to make the gas burn cleaner, so you've probably been using ethanol in your tank without even realizing it. I think the stickers are probably just part of some new legislation requiring disclosure, or perhaps part of the lobbying power of the industry.

I personally don't use Shell (or Exxon or Mobil or a few others) after reading a lot of information on their ethics and practices (look up the Ken Saro-wiwa execution in Nigeria). I think part of our responsibilities of liberating ourselves from foreign oil dependency is to keep large multi-nationals accountable for their actions.

Is ethanol the answer for the future? I think that's a big fat "NO", but taking a small mpg hit to at least reduce our foreign crude use is perfectly acceptable to me, especially since, as Prius owners, we are now getting at least twice, sometimes 3 or 4x the gas mileage we used to.
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The name on the pump is no indication of where the gas, let alone the oil originates. If you are buying gas at a "no name" station they are buying the gas from whoever they can at the lowest price. It's going to come from the same refinery. It might even come on the same truck. In Maryland there used to be a Texaco gas station. The only truck that was ever seen delivering gas was labelled "Ewing Oil". JR is still pumping it out of the ground.

[Tadashi]

I know the ethonal blend is mandatory here in TX from 1 Oct to Mar 31 (during the winter). I have not noticed them doing it during the summer. I usually see the sign out during the winter months stating ethonal mix and I usually take a MPG hit but only around 6 MPG.

[bwilson4web]

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I was just looking at the Wiki article on gasoline and they claim ethanol doesn't have to be posted on the pumps. They also claim the 2005 Energy bill requires all USA gasolines to be ethanol blends.

I am finding up to a 3% difference in energy content between the best and worst of the summer brands:
2.97% - Exxon 87
2.60% - Shell 87
2.60% - Shell 87
2.23% - Chevron
1.37% - Shell 93
0.00% - BP 87, reference and lowest energy content

There is at best, a weak correlation with specific density (using API scale hydrometer
0.09% - Exxon 87
1.28% - Shell 87
1.45% - Shell 87
1.28% - Chevron
0.00% - Shell 93
1.28% - BP 87, reference and lowest energy content

To see even this weak density correlation takes three separate measurements from each sample to get the density slope and project the density to 70F. This is not a reliable or fast indication of relative energy per gram for different samples.

Bob Wilson
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[doyourealize]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JimN @ Aug 18 2007, 07:29 PM) [snapback]498479[/snapback]</div>

The name on the pump is no indication of where the gas, let alone the oil originates. If you are buying gas at a "no name" station they are buying the gas from whoever they can at the lowest price. It's going to come from the same refinery. It might even come on the same truck. In Maryland there used to be a Texaco gas station. The only truck that was ever seen delivering gas was labelled "Ewing Oil". JR is still pumping it out of the ground.
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I'm aware of all that. It's not about trying to make sure I get the "cleanest" gas (environmentally or ethically), since I know it all comes from the same refinery, but to send the message to the companies that I do or don't appreciate their track records of greed. Our dollars may be the only vote that counts with these companies, and I'd like mine to go to ones with better ethics.

[barbaram]

I've found an exxon station without any ethanol sticker on the pump... so who knows?