Mobil One Oil Filters

Swamibob · 08-05-2006, 09:06 AM

I have been told the M1-102 is the same filter as the M1-103 except for extra capacity. I would like to know if anyone has used it and if there are any clearance issues with the longer filter or any other problems.

Swamibob

Jack Straw · 08-05-2006, 11:48 AM

zzz

FireEngineer · 08-11-2006, 12:53 PM

Your best bet is the M1-209 filter from Mobil 1. Just look at this post. Plenty of room and is much larger. M1-102 will not work.

Wayne

Blackfang · 08-12-2006, 09:04 AM

Yes the smaller one will work, but you wont have the cold start up protection(due to less oil capacity in the filter).

Honestly, I dont see why people switch to K&N oil filters, or mobil 1 oil filters. The OEM ones work for that engine and are cheaper. I recommend OEM because they can be cheaper and were designed for that engine.

I race both my cars and put them through more abuse that the average driver and I run synthetic oil and run OEM oil filters.

theorist · 08-12-2006, 10:14 AM

Unfortunately I can't find details for the different Mobil 1 filters at Mobil's website. Using the detailed Wix website with cross-referenced Wix Filters, it appears that in addition to being longer and wider, the referred to Mobil 1 M1-102, M1-209, and K&N-2009 all use larger diameter gaskets than our OEM size filter. This makes me uneasy until I can confirm that the gasket isn't too close to the edge of mounting surface on the engine block.

I like the Wix website for this because they provide more detailed specs on each filter and they produce more models, not aggregating different OEM filters into one approximate replacement filter as often as other filter makers. Here is the data from the Wix site.

Crossover with Prius OEM Toyota 90915-YZZF2
Part Number: 51394
UPC Number: 765809513945
Principal Application: GM (85-05), Daihatsu (88-92), Infiniti (91-96), Kawasaki Mules, Nissan (91-95), Toyota (80-06), Scion (04-06)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 2.977
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 400
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
approximately 16 ci = 0.29 qt volume

Crossover with Toyota 90915-YZZF1 and Mobil M1-103
Wix Part Number: 51396
UPC Number: 765809513969
Principal Application: GM Vehicles (99-05), Geo (89-92), Toyota (88-06), Various Ford-New Holland Tractors, Suzuki (96-05), Suzuki Marine Engines
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.402
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 400
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233
approximately 2.4 ci = 0.04 qt greater volume than OEM size

Crossover with Mobil M1-209 and K&N HP-2009
Part Number: 51516
UPC Number: 765809515161
Principal Application: Ford/Mercury (81-06), Chrysler/Jeep (02-06), Mazda Trucks (94-05)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.828
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=14/31
Burst Pressure-PSI: 275
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 20
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226
approximately 15.6 ci = .27 qt greater volume than OEM size

Crossover with Mobil M1-102
Part Number: 51348
UPC Number: 765809513488
Principal Application: Various Chrysler/Jeep (82-06), Various GM (85-05), Lexus (90-06), Saab (67-06), Saturn (91-01), Suzuki (86-02), Toyota (88-06), Yugo (86-89), Harley-Davidson, Various Lawn&Garden, Farm Equip.
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.404
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=21/37
Burst Pressure-PSI: 275
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19
Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226
approximately 6 ci = 0.1 qt greater volume than OEM size

rudiger · 08-12-2006, 04:05 PM

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Honestly, I dont see why people switch to K&N oil filters, or mobil 1 oil filters. The OEM ones work for that engine and are cheaper. I recommend OEM because they can be cheaper and were designed for that engine. [/b]

I concur. Price might be a consideration if buying OEM oil filters from a local dealership parts dept but with the wide availability of ordering OEM filters online for cheap renders this reason invalid. Additionally, OEM oil filters are added insurance should an internal engine failure occur under warranty.

If a local dealership that you had to drive across town wants $6.50 for an OEM oil filter, where you could walk across the street and buy a K&N or Mobil 1 for two bucks more, I could understand going aftermarket. But when you can order a case of ten OEM oil filters online for $40 ($4/ea), OEM makes more sense.

The K&N and Mobil 1 oil filters do seem like they're very well made, but there's not much justification for using them over OEM.

FireEngineer · 08-12-2006, 07:52 PM

The gasket for the Mobil1 M1-209 filter fully fits the mounting surface of the engine block. Justification of course is in the eye of the beholder. For my extra money the extra oil capacity, greater filter surface area, and finer multi-pass filtration of the Mobil1 filter tells me to use it. Do I need to-no. Do I want the best for the longevity of my Prius-yes.

Just like the tires of our cars are not based only on the engineering of the suspension, the oil filters are a decision that is not based on filtration engineering alone. A given engine mounted in different cars will present different environments you have to negotiate to change the filter. On my Oldsmobile mini-van the filter spec'd is a small PF-47 only because a small percentage have an optional oil cooler which needs the smaller filter to have enough space to take it off. The engine in my mini-van does not have this oil cooler so I have choosen the PF-52 filter which is longer and wider and used in different vehicles with the same engine. Also remember that for a given group of engines although a given filter will provide better filtration the "bean counters" stay with one filter type for production and inventory purpose's as long as that filter type will perform the minimum to prevent a certain level of engine problems (warrenty claims).

Wayne

theorist · 08-13-2006, 01:55 PM

Thank you, Wayne, for the reassurance.

I've often used slightly 'oversized' filters for the same reasons. To be fair, are there any other reasons to use smaller filters aside from using less resources, possibly faster warming of cold oil, and following manufacturer recommendations for troublefree warranty coverage?

ekpolk · 08-13-2006, 03:14 PM

A couple of contrasting thoughts. On the G35 I used to drive, I did use a slightly oversize filter. The spec filter is the size of the M1-108, and goes by the nickname "the thimble filter". It really is that small. You could easily put two of them into a Coke can with room to spare. I used the "taller" M1-110 or the same-sized K&N HP-1010, which is about half again as tall. So yes, I have upsized myself. That said, I suspect that the M1-209, assuming it fits with a proper seal, is overkill on the little 1NZ-FXE. I use this filter on my wife's 4.7L Sequoia V-8, and per my oil analysis for that engine, it's not even close to loading up at the end of an OCI. In addition, my oil analysis consultant (Terry Dyson) assures me that the Toyota engines especially are clean runners that don't generate much crud at all in the first place. He and I have had this discussion a couple of times. His take is that an oversize isn't going do any harm (unless possibly you pick one with a bypass threshold that differs significantly from stock), but that the oversize won't do any added good, especially if you're staying remotely close to the prescribed OCIs. At least IMO, for this case, it pretty much boils down to personal preference, with one really being no better or worse than the other.

I'll be doing UOAs on my next several fills of oil, and I order the particle counts too, which offer more info about filter performance. It will, of course, take some time, but I'll put 'em up when I get 'em.

08-12-2006, 07:52 PM	#7
FireEngineer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SW-Side of Chicago, IL Posts: 1,156 My Car: 2010 Prius Model: IV Package: Solar Roof Thanks: 1 Thanked 50 Times in 38 Posts Friends: 12	The gasket for the Mobil1 M1-209 filter fully fits the mounting surface of the engine block. Justification of course is in the eye of the beholder. For my extra money the extra oil capacity, greater filter surface area, and finer multi-pass filtration of the Mobil1 filter tells me to use it. Do I need to-no. Do I want the best for the longevity of my Prius-yes. Just like the tires of our cars are not based only on the engineering of the suspension, the oil filters are a decision that is not based on filtration engineering alone. A given engine mounted in different cars will present different environments you have to negotiate to change the filter. On my Oldsmobile mini-van the filter spec'd is a small PF-47 only because a small percentage have an optional oil cooler which needs the smaller filter to have enough space to take it off. The engine in my mini-van does not have this oil cooler so I have choosen the PF-52 filter which is longer and wider and used in different vehicles with the same engine. Also remember that for a given group of engines although a given filter will provide better filtration the "bean counters" stay with one filter type for production and inventory purpose's as long as that filter type will perform the minimum to prevent a certain level of engine problems (warrenty claims). Wayne __________________ 2010 Blue Ribbon Metallic Prius IV w/Sunroof-Solar-Navigation 2005 Salsa Red Package 6 (BC)-Retired 6/12/2009 w/89,989 miles Average MPG 54.5, Best tank MPG 80.1/932 miles 2004 Oldsmobile Silhouette "Final 500" mini-van Free engine block heater install, just ask. 165 warmer Prius done to date. Including one very special 2010 Prius. Come join us at the ChicagoPriusGroup.

08-13-2006, 03:14 PM	#9
ekpolk The Regenerator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pensacola FL Posts: 363 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	A couple of contrasting thoughts. On the G35 I used to drive, I did use a slightly oversize filter. The spec filter is the size of the M1-108, and goes by the nickname "the thimble filter". It really is that small. You could easily put two of them into a Coke can with room to spare. I used the "taller" M1-110 or the same-sized K&N HP-1010, which is about half again as tall. So yes, I have upsized myself. That said, I suspect that the M1-209, assuming it fits with a proper seal, is overkill on the little 1NZ-FXE. I use this filter on my wife's 4.7L Sequoia V-8, and per my oil analysis for that engine, it's not even close to loading up at the end of an OCI. In addition, my oil analysis consultant (Terry Dyson) assures me that the Toyota engines especially are clean runners that don't generate much crud at all in the first place. He and I have had this discussion a couple of times. His take is that an oversize isn't going do any harm (unless possibly you pick one with a bypass threshold that differs significantly from stock), but that the oversize won't do any added good, especially if you're staying remotely close to the prescribed OCIs. At least IMO, for this case, it pretty much boils down to personal preference, with one really being no better or worse than the other. I'll be doing UOAs on my next several fills of oil, and I order the particle counts too, which offer more info about filter performance. It will, of course, take some time, but I'll put 'em up when I get 'em. __________________ ScanGauge-IIx for the TCH CAN View V3 (for when I care about maximizing Prius benefits). Valentine V1 (for when I *don't* care. . . ). Now in the TCH -- with Remote Display. Black 09 Camry Hybrid Cassis Pearl 07 Avalon XLS Black 04 Prius

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08-05-2006, 09:06 AM	#1
Swamibob Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	I have been told the M1-102 is the same filter as the M1-103 except for extra capacity. I would like to know if anyone has used it and if there are any clearance issues with the longer filter or any other problems. Swamibob

08-05-2006, 11:48 AM	#2
Jack Straw Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 137 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	zzz

08-11-2006, 12:53 PM	#3
FireEngineer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SW-Side of Chicago, IL Posts: 1,156 My Car: 2010 Prius Model: IV Package: Solar Roof Thanks: 1 Thanked 50 Times in 38 Posts Friends: 12	Your best bet is the M1-209 filter from Mobil 1. Just look at this post. Plenty of room and is much larger. M1-102 will not work. Wayne

08-12-2006, 09:04 AM	#4
Blackfang Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 50 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	Yes the smaller one will work, but you wont have the cold start up protection(due to less oil capacity in the filter). Honestly, I dont see why people switch to K&N oil filters, or mobil 1 oil filters. The OEM ones work for that engine and are cheaper. I recommend OEM because they can be cheaper and were designed for that engine. I race both my cars and put them through more abuse that the average driver and I run synthetic oil and run OEM oil filters.

08-12-2006, 10:14 AM	#5
theorist Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lexington, MA Posts: 330 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	Unfortunately I can't find details for the different Mobil 1 filters at Mobil's website. Using the detailed Wix website with cross-referenced Wix Filters, it appears that in addition to being longer and wider, the referred to Mobil 1 M1-102, M1-209, and K&N-2009 all use larger diameter gaskets than our OEM size filter. This makes me uneasy until I can confirm that the gasket isn't too close to the edge of mounting surface on the engine block. I like the Wix website for this because they provide more detailed specs on each filter and they produce more models, not aggregating different OEM filters into one approximate replacement filter as often as other filter makers. Here is the data from the Wix site. Crossover with Prius OEM Toyota 90915-YZZF2 Part Number: 51394 UPC Number: 765809513945 Principal Application: GM (85-05), Daihatsu (88-92), Infiniti (91-96), Kawasaki Mules, Nissan (91-95), Toyota (80-06), Scion (04-06) All Applications Style: Spin-On Lube Filter Service: Lube Type: Full Flow Media: Paper Height: 2.977 Outer Diameter Top: 2.685 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 3/4-16 By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Burst Pressure-PSI: 400 Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 19 Gasket Diameters Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233 approximately 16 ci = 0.29 qt volume Crossover with Toyota 90915-YZZF1 and Mobil M1-103 Wix Part Number: 51396 UPC Number: 765809513969 Principal Application: GM Vehicles (99-05), Geo (89-92), Toyota (88-06), Various Ford-New Holland Tractors, Suzuki (96-05), Suzuki Marine Engines All Applications Style: Spin-On Lube Filter Service: Lube Type: Full Flow Media: Paper Height: 3.402 Outer Diameter Top: 2.685 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 3/4-16 By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Burst Pressure-PSI: 400 Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 19 Gasket Diameters Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233 approximately 2.4 ci = 0.04 qt greater volume than OEM size Crossover with Mobil M1-209 and K&N HP-2009 Part Number: 51516 UPC Number: 765809515161 Principal Application: Ford/Mercury (81-06), Chrysler/Jeep (02-06), Mazda Trucks (94-05) All Applications Style: Spin-On Lube Filter Service: Lube Type: Full Flow Media: Paper Height: 4.828 Outer Diameter Top: 2.921 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 3/4-16 By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Beta Ratio: 2/20=14/31 Burst Pressure-PSI: 275 Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 20 Gasket Diameters Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226 approximately 15.6 ci = .27 qt greater volume than OEM size Crossover with Mobil M1-102 Part Number: 51348 UPC Number: 765809513488 Principal Application: Various Chrysler/Jeep (82-06), Various GM (85-05), Lexus (90-06), Saab (67-06), Saturn (91-01), Suzuki (86-02), Toyota (88-06), Yugo (86-89), Harley-Davidson, Various Lawn&Garden, Farm Equip. All Applications Style: Spin-On Lube Filter Service: Lube Type: Full Flow Media: Paper Height: 3.404 Outer Diameter Top: 2.921 Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed Thread Size: 3/4-16 By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11 Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes Beta Ratio: 2/20=21/37 Burst Pressure-PSI: 275 Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM Nominal Micro Rating: 19 Gasket Diameters Number O.D. I.D. Thk. Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226 approximately 6 ci = 0.1 qt greater volume than OEM size

08-13-2006, 01:55 PM	#8
theorist Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lexington, MA Posts: 330 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	Thank you, Wayne, for the reassurance. I've often used slightly 'oversized' filters for the same reasons. To be fair, are there any other reasons to use smaller filters aside from using less resources, possibly faster warming of cold oil, and following manufacturer recommendations for troublefree warranty coverage?