Paint Protection

[northvan]

I took delivery of a 2006 Silver Pine Mica 2 days before Christmas, Santa was VERY good to me! The dealer has suggest I take a protection package, paint sealant and fabric protection. They want about $500 for both, seems reasonable if it will protect my baby.

[jamarimutt]

Not worth it, in my opinion. This is one of many options offered by dealers to make extra money, and the salesman earns a nice commisssion from it.

[parrot_lady]

if more people realize the dangers of Teflon, they'd so see its not worth it.

I can't have it b/c of my birds. The salesman started his paint and fabric protection pitch and I asked him, thats what, Teflon? Yep.

UGH. Teflon or PTFE gives off small amounts of toxic fumes even at room temperatures.

DuPont agrees to pay $16.5 million in EPA settlement
By: Bob Fernandez
Philadelphia Inquirer
December 15, 2005

PHILADELPHIA - The DuPont Co. said Wednesday it has agreed to pay $10.25 million in civil fines and fund $6.25 million in research projects to settle allegations that it failed to report pollution and human contamination from perfluorooctanoic acid, or PFOA, a chemical used in Teflon and other products.

The Environmental Protection Agency said the fine is the largest administrative civil fine ever obtained for violating the Toxic Substances Control Act and the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act. The previous record civil fine was $6.4 million against the Tennessee Gas Pipeline Co. in 1994.

Grant Nakayama, assistant administrator in the EPA, said in a press conference the DuPont fine "sends a clear message" to corporations that they must disclose information on the dangers from chemicals to humans or the environment.


http://www.ewg.org/news/story.php?id=4850


So its made with a carcinogen. Its gotta be safe for us to use! *eyeroll*

Sorry. I have strong feelings on the subject.

[kente777]

Originally posted by parrot_lady@Dec 26 2005, 08:49 AM
if more people realize the dangers of Teflon, they'd so see its not worth it.

I can't have it b/c of my birds.  The salesman started his paint and fabric protection pitch and I asked him, thats what, Teflon?  Yep.

UGH.  Teflon or PTFE gives off small amounts of toxic fumes even at room temperatures.

DuPont agrees to pay $16.5 million in EPA settlement
By: Bob Fernandez
Philadelphia Inquirer
December 15, 2005

PHILADELPHIA - The DuPont Co. said Wednesday it has agreed to pay $10.25 million in civil fines and fund $6.25 million in research projects to settle allegations that it failed to report pollution and human contamination from perfluorooctanoic acid, or PFOA, a chemical used in Teflon and other products.

The Environmental Protection Agency said the fine is the largest administrative civil fine ever obtained for violating the Toxic Substances Control Act and the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act. The previous record civil fine was $6.4 million against the Tennessee Gas Pipeline Co. in 1994.

Grant Nakayama, assistant administrator in the EPA, said in a press conference the DuPont fine "sends a clear message" to corporations that they must disclose information on the dangers from chemicals to humans or the environment.
http://www.ewg.org/news/story.php?id=4850
So its made with a carcinogen.  Its gotta be safe for us to use! *eyeroll*

Sorry.  I have strong feelings on the subject.

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Is this stuff (PFOA) in the fabric protection they use? And it is definitely applied at the dealer, not the port?

Thanks.

Ken

[kente777]

Originally posted by kente777@Dec 26 2005, 09:16 AM
Is this stuff (PFOA) in the fabric protection they use?  And it is definitely applied at the dealer, not the port?

Thanks.

Ken

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Here is a short excerpt citing that 3M changed from PFOA.

3M’s Original Scotchgard and PFOA: Scotchgard products made by 3M before the year 2001 break down into PFOA, among other chemicals, in the environment [Extract | Full Document]. The Environmental Protection Agency forced 3M to alter its Scotchgard formulation because chemicals in the product were found to be toxic and persistent in the environment and the human body. The public record contains little information on the new Scotchgard formula. 3M is using PFBS, a sister chemical to PFOS, as a replacement to PFOS based chemistry for some products [Full document]. PFBS does not break down. If 3M's replacement chemistry is based on telomer alcohols, it likely breaks down into PFOA as well.

Ken

[parrot_lady]

heh.

Well.. The sales pitch the guy went through anyway had Teflon in it through out the Powerpoint.

Despite him trying to sell it, I was having a conversation with my parents blatently not paying attention to him.

http://www.ewg.org/reports/bodyburden2/che...p?chemid=100300
Thats the CAS-RN and a whole bunch of other information on perfluorobutane sulfonate

Which shows why its marketed under Teflon. *cringe* While this stuff *seems* safer, I still won't have it around my birds or myself.

http://www.nicnas.gov.au/Publications/CAR/...lfonate_PDF.pdf

about midway down the 14th page (of the entire document- 14 of 115) with a new paragraph the article starts talking about how a number of PFBS-based surfactants have been reviewed by the US EPA and placed on the TOXIC substances control act.

now while it might be because of the additives to the PFBS it makes me wonder just how much work is going into finding out whats safe for us and whats not.

Admittingly I haven't read all 114 pages of the article.

[northvan]

Wow, I never even thought about it being unhealthy for me. I just looked up the subject in Phil Edmonston's book, "Lemon-Aid" car guide. He says the treatment is less effective than regular waxing, and may invalidate the manufacture's guarantee if they look for any pretext to deny a paint claim. He goes on to say equivalent fabric protection could be bought for a few dollars in spray cans, instead of hundreds that the dealers charge.

[tumbleweed]

On the bright side, the light colored velour looking stuff actually cleans up pretty well. I live where their is a lot of dirt and mud and I have a dog who doesn't always stay in the back where the old blanket is. So far the dirty dog prints have cleaned right off with just clear water on a sponge. In fact I have decided to let the second owner worry about seat covers and just use this Prius like a real car dirt mud and all. I think a coat or two of good quality wax a couple of times a year should protect the paint just fine.

[johnnieliu]

Originally posted by northvan@Dec 26 2005, 12:35 AM
I took delivery of a 2006 Silver Pine Mica 2 days before Christmas, Santa was VERY good to me!  The dealer has suggest I take a protection package, paint sealant and fabric protection.  They want about $500 for both, seems reasonable if it will protect my baby.

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If "paint sealant" means multiple coats of Zaino, yes its worth it.

But I highly doubt that the dealership would know anything about Zaino. So, save the $500, buy the Zaino kit and some Scotchguard(or some really nice car seat covers), and spend an entire day getting to know every crack and crevice of you new car. With all that, I'm pretty sure its still less than $500.

[tracysbeans]

Originally posted by tumbleweed@Dec 26 2005, 12:22 PM
On the bright side, the light colored velour looking stuff actually cleans up pretty well.  I live where their is a lot of dirt and mud and I have a dog who doesn't always stay in the back where the old blanket is.  So far the dirty dog prints have cleaned right off with just clear water on a sponge.  In fact I have decided to let the second owner worry about seat covers and just use this Prius like a real car dirt mud and all.  I think a coat or two of good quality wax a couple of times a year should protect the paint just fine.

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Ok, so I see I won't be the only one who has a cute puppy dog that will be riding in a Prius. I was going to get seat cushions because of him though. If I buy a Prius I'm going with Fabric seats. (not into leather) I just don't want my dog (as cute as he is) to ruin my seats.

If and when I get my Prius I will have to use him as my aviator too in my Prius! (Gotta show off both my babies )

Edited to add: Glad this thread came up before I make my purchase. I would have been wondering to if I should go with the Paint Protection. Now I know I will pass.