Mileage hit with snow tires?

stanleyjohn · 08-19-2006, 06:59 AM

Im planning on buying good snow tires in a month or two and was wondering what kind of mileage hit if any i might get.I know that winter months here in the north take a toll on the mileage ane would like to minimize it as much as i can.One other question would be! do the tire pressure sensors get transfered to the new tires or do they need to be equipt with them.

**efusco** · 08-19-2006, 07:04 AM

They'll give you a fairly significant hit, might be hard, in the cold weather, to tell what the main factor is, but the rolling resistance of those heavy, thick tread sticky snow tires will definately have an impact. It's pretty hard to quantify it.

I think you can move the sensors to the new tire...but I'm not positive. I do know that buying a new set of sensors is expensive.

EricGo · 08-19-2006, 12:08 PM

I replaced my worn out OEM's with ZiEx Falkens a couple of weeks ago, and have seen my FE drop from 65 -70 to 50 - 55 over a full tank.

I'm bummed, although I have to say the tire traction is really good. I'm thinking about swapping the Falkens and Michelin Harmony between the Prius and the Subaru Outback.

**efusco** · 08-19-2006, 12:12 PM

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I replaced my worn out OEM's with ZiEx Falkens a couple of weeks ago, and have seen my FE drop from 65 -70 to 50 - 55 over a full tank.

I'm bummed, although I have to say the tire traction is really good. I'm thinking about swapping the Falkens and Michelin Harmony between the Prius and the Subaru Outback. [/b]

Don't swap until you've got about 2-3k miles on the new tires...they just take time to break in. My HydroEdges took about 1000 to start to smooth out and at least 5000 before they were completely broken in. My mileage now exceeds what I was getting with the integrities (not that I think the tires are responsible for that, just that I don't think the impact is bad.)

jayman · 08-19-2006, 12:30 PM

Since I have my winter tires on steel wheels, it takes only 20 mins to change over. With the Michelin Harmony on a given stretch of Trans Canada I would be using 5.1 l/100km at 110 km/h at a temp of -20 C (55 mpg).

On the same stretch of Trans Canada, same speed and temp +/ 5 C from above, I'd be using 5.3-5.5 l/100km/h (51-53 mpg). In city driving, no difference at speed of 60-70 km/h

If if the fuel economy hit was much larger, I still wouldn't trade the extra winter traction of my Yokohama Ice Guard 10 tires.

tomdeimos · 08-19-2006, 02:59 PM

I've used Michelin Xice tires for two winters now and have never seen any change in mpg from putting them on or taking them off. I see big changes from fuel, cold temperatures and wet roads.

tnthub · 08-19-2006, 03:15 PM

You would probably have to make the comparison during warm weather for any sort of accuracy. Up here mileage can drop by over 10 mpg simply due to the winter fuel mix and weather conditions.

stanleyjohn · 08-19-2006, 03:41 PM

Usefull info! Thanks all

What do you use for tires in the winter? Ive heard Michelin Xice tires are a good choice.Any info on tire choice would be helpfull!planning on shopping for snow tires this fall.

gordonr · 08-19-2006, 08:47 PM

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What do you use for tires in the winter?
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Nokian is a favorite among many people. If your winter needs aren't extreme, they make the WR model which is one of the few all season tires that are also rated as real snow tires (snowflake on the mountain symbol on the sidewall). I ran WR's last winter, but it wasn't a particularly snowy winter so I can't say how well they worked in significant snow storms. It's tough to determine the mileage hit from the WR's vs. weather changes, but they seemed to have a fairly small impact. This past spring I changed from the WR's on 3/26/06 and my tank before the change out on 3/18/06 recorded 48.3 mpg with the WR's and the first 100% tank on the OEM tires on 4/19/06 was 50.6 mpg. The weather alone, the driving mix and whether my wife or I were driving most of the miles could have easily accounted for this difference.

janice45 · 08-20-2006, 10:55 PM

Id also like some help with picking snow tires ??
So between the snow ties and winter gas the milage would drop how low roughly?
Do you have to buy new sencers if you keep you winter tires in different rims? any idea how pricey ?
Thanks

08-19-2006, 12:30 PM	#5
jayman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Winnipeg Manitoba Posts: 12,204 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: B Thanks: 89 Thanked 277 Times in 243 Posts Friends: 14	Since I have my winter tires on steel wheels, it takes only 20 mins to change over. With the Michelin Harmony on a given stretch of Trans Canada I would be using 5.1 l/100km at 110 km/h at a temp of -20 C (55 mpg). On the same stretch of Trans Canada, same speed and temp +/ 5 C from above, I'd be using 5.3-5.5 l/100km/h (51-53 mpg). In city driving, no difference at speed of 60-70 km/h If if the fuel economy hit was much larger, I still wouldn't trade the extra winter traction of my Yokohama Ice Guard 10 tires. __________________ 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser 5AT "C", Sun Fusion

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08-19-2006, 06:59 AM	#1
stanleyjohn Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Higganum,Ct Posts: 269 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: #7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Friends: 0	Im planning on buying good snow tires in a month or two and was wondering what kind of mileage hit if any i might get.I know that winter months here in the north take a toll on the mileage ane would like to minimize it as much as i can.One other question would be! do the tire pressure sensors get transfered to the new tires or do they need to be equipt with them.

08-19-2006, 07:04 AM	#2
efusco Troll Slayer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nixa, MO Posts: 18,055 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 102 Thanked 501 Times in 270 Posts Friends: 41	They'll give you a fairly significant hit, might be hard, in the cold weather, to tell what the main factor is, but the rolling resistance of those heavy, thick tread sticky snow tires will definately have an impact. It's pretty hard to quantify it. I think you can move the sensors to the new tire...but I'm not positive. I do know that buying a new set of sensors is expensive.

08-19-2006, 12:08 PM	#3
EricGo Three cats, one Prius, and assorted humans Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM (SouthWest US) Posts: 1,810 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	I replaced my worn out OEM's with ZiEx Falkens a couple of weeks ago, and have seen my FE drop from 65 -70 to 50 - 55 over a full tank. I'm bummed, although I have to say the tire traction is really good. I'm thinking about swapping the Falkens and Michelin Harmony between the Prius and the Subaru Outback.

08-19-2006, 02:59 PM	#6
tomdeimos Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lexington, MA Posts: 995 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	I've used Michelin Xice tires for two winters now and have never seen any change in mpg from putting them on or taking them off. I see big changes from fuel, cold temperatures and wet roads.

08-19-2006, 03:15 PM	#7
tnthub Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 463 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	You would probably have to make the comparison during warm weather for any sort of accuracy. Up here mileage can drop by over 10 mpg simply due to the winter fuel mix and weather conditions.

08-19-2006, 03:41 PM	#8
stanleyjohn Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Higganum,Ct Posts: 269 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: #7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Friends: 0	Usefull info! Thanks all What do you use for tires in the winter? Ive heard Michelin Xice tires are a good choice.Any info on tire choice would be helpfull!planning on shopping for snow tires this fall.

08-20-2006, 10:55 PM	#10
janice45 Dudley Girl Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: maine Posts: 53 My Car: 2010 Prius Model: IV Package: Navigation Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Friends: 0	Id also like some help with picking snow tires ?? So between the snow ties and winter gas the milage would drop how low roughly? Do you have to buy new sencers if you keep you winter tires in different rims? any idea how pricey ? Thanks