Confirmed: Plug-in Prius

[jayselle]

http://www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk/wo...?p=216&sid=

"Yes, that’s right. Toyota, the firm which we all thought would never actually do it - have finally launched a press release and video of their Plug In Prius, the first commercial Plug-In-hybrid for Japanese roads."

Toyota Press Release:

http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/07/0725.html

"Tokyo — TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION (TMC) announced today that it has developed a plug-in hybrid vehicle and become the first manufacturer to have such a vehicle certified for use on public roads in Japan."

[Marlin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jayselle @ Jul 26 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]485358[/snapback]</div>

"Tokyo — TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION (TMC) announced today that it has developed a plug-in hybrid vehicle and become the first manufacturer to have such a vehicle certified for use on public roads in Japan."
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I know you all are excited that about a plug-in Prius prototype being certified for use on public roads in Japan. But that doesn't mean that they will be publicly availble any time soon. As a point of reference, Honda got their hydrogen fuel cell car certified for Japan's roads back in 2004.

In order for a car manufacturer to road test their prototypes on Japan's roads, they have to get them certified. It doesn't mean that mass production of the vehicle is imminient.

It may well be that Toyota will be selling a plugin in 2010. But this article doesn't really support it. The excitement that it has generated (and the number of threads) is out of proportion to the significance of the announcement.

[ystasino]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jayselle @ Jul 26 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]485358[/snapback]</div>

http://www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk/wo...?p=216&sid=

"Yes, that’s right. Toyota, the firm which we all thought would never actually do it - have finally launched a press release and video of their Plug In Prius, the first commercial Plug-In-hybrid for Japanese roads."

Toyota Press Release:

http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/07/0725.html

"Tokyo — TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION (TMC) announced today that it has developed a plug-in hybrid vehicle and become the first manufacturer to have such a vehicle certified for use on public roads in Japan."
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I'm confused.

This seems to be an EV mode Prius with a plug-in capability and a bigger battery.

I wonder if they have sorted the battery issues or the charge/discharge needs to be as carefully controlled as with the current Prius. Which would allow people to run the new battery up and down.

I also wonder if the new battery has more of a role than the main engine in the plug-in version when the EV is not engaged.

[jayselle]

Apparently it can run about 10 miles in EV mode with a full charge that takes about 2 hours to "fill".

I know it's only in Japan but that's one step closer to being in the US. I think this vehicle is much more likely to show up than a hydrogen vehicle.

[andygralla]

The good news is Toyota is demonstrating that a plug-in can be built as a low-risk, evolutionary step for the Prius. This is in stark contrast to the Chevy Volt, which requires a great leap forward in battery technology and who knows what in terms of infrastructure to ramp up production!

[Proco]

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It may well be that Toyota will be selling a plugin in 2010. But this article doesn't really support it. The excitement that it has generated (and the number of threads) is out of proportion to the significance of the announcement.[/b]

I disagree. This is the first time we've seen something tangible in this arena from one of the major car companies. We've read a lot of hype about the Volt, but haven't seen anything except for press releases. In this case there's an actual product as opposed to a prototype on a stage at an auto show. Yes, it still qualifies as a prototype, but it's actually being road tested. And, as has been shown in other threads, there's a video of it in action.

Given the technology that they're using in it, it may be closer to mass production than we think.

Plus they'll be in good position to be ready when the next generation of battery technology is available.

[ken1784]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jayselle @ Jul 26 2007, 11:39 PM) [snapback]485396[/snapback]</div>

I know it's only in Japan but that's one step closer to being in the US.
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Toyota already selected the target places in the US...
http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?...YT2007072552930

Ken@Japan

[DaveinOlyWA]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(andygralla @ Jul 26 2007, 08:33 AM) [snapback]485435[/snapback]</div>

The good news is Toyota is demonstrating that a plug-in can be built as a low-risk, evolutionary step for the Prius. This is in stark contrast to the Chevy Volt, which requires a great leap forward in battery technology and who knows what in terms of infrastructure to ramp up production! [/b]

iow, Toyota is doing it the sensible way and chevy is not??

wow that is news...

there is a reason why i alway capitalize Toyota and never the other car companies...

[skruse]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...BAGJPR75VB1.DTL

Toyota took a big step Wednesday toward marketing plug-in hybrid cars -- vehicles that run mostly on rechargeable batteries and can go 100 miles on a gallon of gas -- when it announced it would provide two specially made Prii to the University of California for testing on U.S. roads.

[Marlin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Proco @ Jul 26 2007, 11:45 AM) [snapback]485442[/snapback]</div>

I disagree. This is the first time we've seen something tangible in this arena from one of the major car companies. We've read a lot of hype about the Volt, but haven't seen anything except for press releases. In this case there's an actual product as opposed to a prototype on a stage at an auto show. Yes, it still qualifies as a prototype, but it's actually being road tested. And, as has been shown in other threads, there's a video of it in action.[/b]

As I mentioned in my post, Honda got their fuel cell FCX certified for Japan's roads 3 years ago. It didn't mean that mass production of the FCX was imminent. I don't doubt that Toyota is working on a plugin Prius. I don't doubt that it will enter production sometime in the near future (2010 at the earliest). I just don't believe that getting road certification in Japan for the prototype is as significant an event as you guys seem to think.