Prius Conversion to E85 Ethanol?

[paprius4030]

E85 is a SCAM to get the public's mind off the REAL PROBLEM. I hope us American's wise up!

[dave justice]

Hey you guys-

You have ethanol all wrong... This is moonshine with 15% gas. You can drink it if it was 100% ethanol. Ethanol is not very corrosive. Now you guys are thinking about methanol - which is nasty and will eat everything in your engine. I have seven cars and have converted them all with the Full Flex kits that I bought at www.change2E85.com. I have no problems with corrosion, leaks or anything like that. I know a dude with a Prius and he converted it over and he gets more power with E85 and still maintains 44 MPG. If you check the testmonial page of change2E85.com, the first testamonial is from a prius owner. I come from a farming family and we have been making and using our own ethanol for as long as I can remember. It is the solution - it's cheaper, cleaner, safe, it's Amercian and no war required.

[paprius4030]

I'm afraid we don't have it wrong at all. Check www.chevy.com, they list 2 mpg's figures for the different model cars, with E-85 and regular gas. The E-85 is always less, about 5 mpg's less if I'm not mistaken.

E-85 is a big HOAX

[richard schumacher]

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I know a dude with a Prius and he converted it over and he gets more power with E85 and still maintains 44 MPG.
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And will you tell us when his Prius breaks down?

[donee]

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Hey you guys-

You have ethanol all wrong... This is moonshine with 15% gas. You can drink it if it was 100% ethanol. Ethanol is not very corrosive. Now you guys are thinking about methanol - which is nasty and will eat everything in your engine. I have seven cars and have converted them all with the Full Flex kits that I bought at www.change2E85.com. I have no problems with corrosion, leaks or anything like that. I know a dude with a Prius and he converted it over and he gets more power with E85 and still maintains 44 MPG. If you check the testmonial page of change2E85.com, the first testamonial is from a prius owner. I come from a farming family and we have been making and using our own ethanol for as long as I can remember. It is the solution - it's cheaper, cleaner, safe, it's Amercian and no war required.
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Hi Dave,

Have you parked your car(s) outside below -10 F and tried to start them on E85 ?

I have been in favor of Butanol for biofuel myself. It has nearly the same fuel content as gasoline, has nearly the same stoichiometric ratio as gasoline (no mods neccassary), can be pipeline distributed (safe for steel)- no corrosion, and has 25 % more fuel return on a bushel of corn with the latest fementation methods. Check out www.butanol.com . With all these advantages, why are biofuel companies ignoring butanol?!

Oh, and it can be used in diesel as well as spark ignition engines.

[dave justice]

Originally Posted by donee

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Have you parked your car(s) outside below -10 F and tried to start them on E85 ?

Yes. Some vehicles are easier to start than others. When I know that it is going to be very cold, I put a little extra gasoline in the tank. I make an E70 or E60 mix. I have a Jeep Cherokee that is a bear to start even below 30 degrees when running E85. So I ordered the new cold start kit from those guys E85 Conversion Kits Change2E85.com . I hope to have it soon. They say that it cycles to maximum during the start up and then it goes into standard mode after running for 30 seconds and they promise that cold starting even in the single digit temp will be possible and much easier .

Also Ethanol is not corrosive. It is a solvent. I was in Bazil last year and they have ethanol pipelines. I can not find a single Brazilian person online that bashes ethanol. They have been running it in their cars for 20 + years and no problems. I've been to Brazil several times and they do have the internet everywhere. There is no one in Brazil that hates ethanol like so many Americans do. Can't find one anywhere.

You guys can believe all of the negitive stuff you want about ethanol. My favorite one is that ethanol production is driving up the price of food. Many people are not taking into consideration that the price of gas went up so everyone from the farmer to the supermarket has to pay more for transportation costs. The funny thing is that the waste product of ethanol is food! The more ethanol that is made, the more food is available. Here is a neat trivia factoid, much of the ethanol available in the Metro Denver area comes from the spill floor at the Coors brewery.

[rfred]

Originally Posted by dave justice

Yes. Some vehicles are easier to start than others. When I know that it is going to be very cold, I put a little extra gasoline in the tank. I make an E70 or E60 mix. I have a Jeep Cherokee that is a bear to start even below 30 degrees when running E85. So I ordered the new cold start kit from those guys E85 Conversion Kits Change2E85.com . I hope to have it soon. They say that it cycles to maximum during the start up and then it goes into standard mode after running for 30 seconds and they promise that cold starting even in the single digit temp will be possible and much easier .

Also Ethanol is not corrosive. It is a solvent. I was in Bazil last year and they have ethanol pipelines. I can not find a single Brazilian person online that bashes ethanol. They have been running it in their cars for 20 + years and no problems. I've been to Brazil several times and they do have the internet everywhere. There is no one in Brazil that hates ethanol like so many Americans do. Can't find one anywhere.

You guys can believe all of the negitive stuff you want about ethanol. My favorite one is that ethanol production is driving up the price of food. Many people are not taking into consideration that the price of gas went up so everyone from the farmer to the supermarket has to pay more for transportation costs. The funny thing is that the waste product of ethanol is food! The more ethanol that is made, the more food is available. Here is a neat trivia factoid, much of the ethanol available in the Metro Denver area comes from the spill floor at the Coors brewery.

Widespread ethanol use as an additive/replacement for gasoline is proving to be a disaster. Millions of acres of land that could be used to grow crops to feed people is instead being planted with crops to feed cars. You tell me which is more important.

At least they've found something to do with that swill from Golden. Lagerheads!

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by dave justice

I was in Bazil last year and they have ethanol pipelines. I can not find a single Brazilian person online that bashes ethanol. They have been running it in their cars for 20 + years and no problems. I've been to Brazil several times and they do have the internet everywhere. There is no one in Brazil that hates ethanol like so many Americans do. Can't find one anywhere.

You guys can believe all of the negitive stuff you want about ethanol. My favorite one is that ethanol production is driving up the price of food. Many people are not taking into consideration that the price of gas went up so everyone from the farmer to the supermarket has to pay more for transportation costs. The funny thing is that the waste product of ethanol is food! The more ethanol that is made, the more food is available. Here is a neat trivia factoid, much of the ethanol available in the Metro Denver area comes from the spill floor at the Coors brewery.

Most of the cars sold in Brazil ARE designed to run on either gasoline or ethanol from sugar cane. They're not just cars designed to run on straight gas.

The ethanol that goes into E85 and E10 here comes from corn, not sugar cane.

Change2e85 is just a scam or perhaps you run it. See the video at E85 conversions are impractical - Fly the Road CLUB for all the changes that need to be made to make a car flex fuel capable. If cars could just run off it w/no changes, ALL automakers would be doing it to ALL their vehicles and marketing all their cars as flex capaable so that they could get a HUGE boost in their CAFE numbers due to the E85 scam... err.. incentive. (See Hummer ad bragging that the H3 gets 20 highway mpg! from what I'm talking about.)

[Flying White Dutchman]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

Most of the cars sold in Brazil ARE designed to run on either gasoline or ethanol from sugar cane. They're not just cars designed to run on straight gas.

The ethanol that goes into E85 and E10 here comes from corn, not sugar cane.

Change2e85 is just a scam or perhaps you run it. See the video at E85 conversions are impractical - Fly the Road CLUB for all the changes that need to be made to make a car flex fuel capable. If cars could just run off it w/no changes, ALL automakers would be doing it to ALL their vehicles and marketing all their cars as flex capaable so that they could get a HUGE boost in their CAFE numbers due to the E85 scam... err.. incentive. (See Hummer ad bragging that the H3 gets 20 highway mpg! from what I'm talking about.)

sorry to
say
but do you believe GM when in the video the guys tells you that GM supleyed them with the stuff needed for E85 .??? and therefor GM tells that its nog easy to do E85?

that makes me think E85 is easy and for every one

but for real... i think you need to do some adjustmenst to you car to be E85 able.

[David Beale]

Lets see if I can remember -ALL- the parts that have to be changed on a GM car to make it E85 compatible per "Goss's Garage" segment on Motorweek:
Fuel filler pipe and filler line, air line, carbon canister.
Fuel tank.
Fuel pump assy. including filter, and fuel level sender unit.
Fuel sensor module in fuel line to tell computer which fuel is in the tank or how much ethyl alcohol is in it currently.
Fuel injector rails (must be stainless).
Fuel injectors (must be larger and designed to not corrode when injecting alcohol - all alcohols are somewhat corrosive, some more than others).
Engine control computer, which must also interface with above fuel sensor module.
Engine wiring harness, which must now handle the fuel sensor module.
Engine head, valves, and valve seats.

So, sure it's easy to convert. Cost? Looks to me $5000 to $10,000 in parts and labor.

All for under $100? What a bargin!!!