C.A.R.S. clunker program

[Bungholio]

Originally Posted by Frayadjacent

So it's ok that our government borrows the money from the Chinese? WE are going to have to pay it back.

This C.A.R.S. thing is more social engineering. Cap and Tax is next.

It's not a consolation to me that your mother is getting a Prius, partially paid for by me. Or... my grandchildren.

Perhaps my mom can name her government subsidized Prius after one of your grandchildren? It's the least she could do considering how they're partially paying for it.

Dave

[Frayadjacent]

Originally Posted by SageBrush

Too bad conservatives do not take the same view when it comes to matters of pollution, war mongering, and corporatism.

Sorry laddie. I have seen conservatism in action, as distinct from the ideological blabber when they are sitting on the sidelines.

No, what you've seen is a different branch of the liberal tree. Anyone using their beliefs to affect other people negatively is not conservatism.

The term has been really mucked up.

REAL conservatives have a 'live and let live' approach. Less government, less bureaucracy. If it doesn't affect me personally, or doesn't affect other people (without their consent), then the government has NO business in it.

[Frayadjacent]

Originally Posted by Bungholio

Perhaps my mom can name her government subsidized Prius after one of your grandchildren? It's the least she could do considering how they're partially paying for it.

Dave

Well, that would be very considerate, thank you!

I don't have children yet, so I'll have to get back to you in a couple decades with the grandkids names.

[Bica2go]

For those interested in taking advantage of the program, here's an update from the cars.gov site:

"While the CARS Act makes transactions on and after July 1 potentially eligible for credits under the CARS program, interested dealers and consumers may want to wait until all of the detailed issues that must be addressed in the implementing regulations are resolved and the final rule is issued. Issuance will occur around July 23.

At that point, NHTSA will have in place detailed provisions about establishing eligibility and a system to ensure the prompt payment of money for credits used under the CARS program.

If dealer choose to structure a transaction before the final rule is issued, they will bear the risks associated with later demonstrating that the transaction meets all of the specifications of the final rule. The dealers should also give the credit to the consumer at the time of such transaction.

The dealer would be reimbursed by NHTSA later if the dealer registers and submits documentation sufficient to demonstrate that the transaction was an eligible one, that the traded in vehicle was properly disposed of, and that all requirements in the final rule were met."

[Frayadjacent]

So the dealer is fronting the cash for the 'clunker' and then bears the responsibility of proving to the .gov that it fits the correct definition before they are reimbursed?

I foresee many dealers NOT doing this. I wouldn't want to front MY money counting on the chance that a bureaucrat could deny my 'claim'.

[Bica2go]

Originally Posted by Frayadjacent

So the dealer is fronting the cash for the 'clunker' and then bears the responsibility of proving to the .gov that it fits the correct definition before they are reimbursed?

I foresee many dealers NOT doing this. I wouldn't want to front MY money counting on the chance that a bureaucrat could deny my 'claim'.

The risk to the dealer is significant if they take a clunker in trade before July 23rd - or whenever the final rules are established. After that, it should be much less of an issue.

[virtualdood]

Originally Posted by Jabber

What did you trade in?

it was a 2006 pathfinder. 15/19 mpg probably different in govt standards

[virtualdood]

Originally Posted by Frayadjacent

So it's ok that our government borrows the money from the Chinese? WE are going to have to pay it back.

This C.A.R.S. thing is more social engineering. Cap and Tax is next.

It's not a consolation to me that your mother is getting a Prius, partially paid for by me. Or... my grandchildren.

What about all the "support the troops" yellow plastic ribbon stickers- made in PROC ? well, those and all the American flags made in communist china as well?

I mean when is the China influence acceptable and not acceptable?

[virtualdood]

Originally Posted by SageBrush

Too bad conservatives do not take the same view when it comes to matters of pollution, war mongering, and corporatism.

Sorry laddie. I have seen conservatism in action, as distinct from the ideological blabber when they are sitting on the sidelines.

thank you. I am a tired of paying for wars and such that might be better spent on public roads, public beaches, public parks etc. But then again people that hate taxes shouldn't be alowed to use such PUBLIC facilities

[virtualdood]

Originally Posted by Frayadjacent

No, what you've seen is a different branch of the liberal tree. Anyone using their beliefs to affect other people negatively is not conservatism.

The term has been really mucked up.

REAL conservatives have a 'live and let live' approach. Less government, less bureaucracy. If it doesn't affect me personally, or doesn't affect other people (without their consent), then the government has NO business in it.

I keep hearing this diatribe , and have for years. I have yet to see a "conservative" tell a woman it is ok for her to choose. Or for same sex people to marry. Or for a conservative to .... etc. The only conservative truth i am familiar with is the barking of commands at others. In all fairness, extreme liberalism is no prize either.