Does the EPA test car's with 10% Ethanol

[alfon]

Well, pretty soon the EPA will test the new 2010 thru 2011 cars for Miles per gallon.

Does the EPA use the required gas mixture of 10% Ethanol mandated by several states, Oregon, where I live, is one of them?

This could be the reason why many 2010 Prius owners are not getting the average benchmark by EPA of 50 MPG.

If the gas used for testing was pure regular unadulterated gasoline the EPA figure of 50 MPG average would be easlily attainable.

But with Ethanol there is a loss of MPG's. That could be the reason why so many people only report in the high 40's MPG for their 2010 Prius.

I bet if you did a poll states with mandated 10% Ethanol would get less MPG than those states where regular gas is allowed.

alfon

[JimboPalmer]

In theory, in general, ethanol has higher octane, but lower energy, by 30% (many premium blends have less energy than regular, they just resist knock better.

So again in theory, in general you would expect a 3% reduction in mileage with 10% ethanol. The various Prius engines, (Gen I to Gen III) may do better or worse than 3%, like all engines. Engines that like higher octanes will do better, but the Gen II has no preference for higher octane. So far as I know, no one has exhaustively tested Gen III.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#As_a_fuel

[Shawn Clark]

The impression I've had with several vehicles (single tank measurements) is that ethanol mpg loss exceeds 5% and is not compensated for by reduced price.

[john1701a]

Originally Posted by alfon

But with Ethanol there is a loss of MPG's. That could be the reason why so many people only report in the high 40's MPG for their 2010 Prius.

I bet if you did a poll states with mandated 10% Ethanol would get less MPG than those states where regular gas is allowed.

You'd likely not have a large & accurate enough sampling to properly conclude that.

The average for my Prius is 54.3 MPG, despite only using E10 and just driving it.
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[angelrob]

Originally Posted by Shawn Clark

The impression I've had with several vehicles (single tank measurements) is that ethanol mpg loss exceeds 5% and is not compensated for by reduced price.

In Illinois, where I visit my family, the E10 is cheaper. In upstate New York, where I live, only a few stations have E10 and the price is the same as regular gas.

The last 3 half tanks I had (I was traveling) ended up being E10 and my mileage dropped from 58ish to 53ish. Note that it may have been due to the different driving (almost entirely highway/thruway and a bit hillier vs my normal 50/50 with a few small hills) but I didn't spend time searching for regular gas, just chose the closest stations.

On another note, my latest full tank, purchased at my regular station is yielding in the low 50s on my regular commute. A coworker (Prius II driver) stopped by yesterday and asked if my mileage had dropped in the last week. His did and he thinks that the winter formulations have been started

Robbin

[a64pilot]

The original question is a good one. I would doubt they use E10. Good question though, and one I would like to have the answer too also.

[mikepaul]

Now that it's hard to find 'real' gas anymore, perhaps that's why I only average like 43MPG anymore. It was 50MPG up near Buffalo in August, but now I can't recall what those pumps said. I thought it was the terrain.

Where do you FIND non-E10 gas anymore? I thought the required pollution-reducer they used to use was banned?...

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by alfon

Does the EPA use the required gas mixture of 10% Ethanol mandated by several states, Oregon, where I live, is one of them?

This could be the reason why many 2010 Prius owners are not getting the average benchmark by EPA of 50 MPG.

If the gas used for testing was pure regular unadulterated gasoline the EPA figure of 50 MPG average would be easlily attainable.

Don't know the answer but they use a special blend of gasoline for the test.

Why do you think that owners of any car should necessarily get EPA "benchmark" mileage? See the two links at Car and Driver: The Truth About EPA City / Highway MPG Estimates for info about the test.

[angelrob]

Originally Posted by mikepaul

Where do you FIND non-E10 gas anymore? I thought the required pollution-reducer they used to use was banned?...

I'm near Rochester and I've only seen a few stations with E10 (Delta Sonic was one, a local Gulf was the other). I usually go to BJ's since the price is good and I was just below 55 calculated MPG (58.x reported)

Robbin

[alfon]

Originally Posted by cwerdna

Don't know the answer but they use a special blend of gasoline for the test.

Why do you think that owners of any car should necessarily get EPA "benchmark" mileage? See the two links at Car and Driver: The Truth About EPA City / Highway MPG Estimates for info about the test.

Sure would be nice if the EPA advised us consumers, who pay for the EPA, if they use 10% Ethanol in their testing as many states in the U.S. now require, mine included, all year long, not just winter.

I believe if the EPA did you would see a 5-8 % drop in MPG across the board.

Look at E-85 the so called enviormentaly friend gas that gets nearly 40% less mpg than regular gas.

So you use nearly twice as much gas to go the same distance. That is really saving the enviorment.

alfon