Afraid the 2010's 17 in wheels 45 tires might ruin the ride

[patsparks]

Yep, and Toyota do no real racing at all
TOYOTA F1 TEAM official site
Never had much to do with motorsport at all really
Toyota Motorsports > History
Toyota don't even have a race developement program
Toyota Racing Development (TRD) Australia - Motorsport and performance vehicle news
Where they are involved in racing they always run at the back of the field
Toyota Supra HV-R: Hybrid Car Wins 24-Hour Race : News & Reports : Motoring : Web Wombat
Even drifting eludes them
Corolla vs 350Z Drift Atlanta part 2 by SpeedyDGP -- Revver Online Video Sharing Network

I'm shocked that they can even get the wheels turning half the time!

[Genoz World]

ok, its that it seems a bit wider from the lower profile aspects. maybe it's just an illusion.

[Boo]

I think spwolf's point is that Hondas and Mazdas will generally outhandle their Toyota counterparts, and the Toyotas will generally have a softer ride. (And that recently, Toyota has always tuned the suspensions to ensure a comfortable ride.)

I believe that over the last 40 years, this has been true. Off hand, I can't even think of an exception, e.g., a generation where the standard Corolla outhandled the standard Civic, but the Civic's ride was softer.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Boo

Mike,

Unlike the current Touring Edition's "tuned suspension" (larger diameter front and rear sway bars, softer rear springs, different rear shocks), I believe that the suspension of the 2010 with 17" wheels will not be altered.

When I go to the NYC show, I'll ask the Toyota reps and also look under the cars.

UPDATE: I looked under the cars in the rear. The rear shocks and suspension on the 17" and 15" wheel cars looked identical. Also, the Toyota rep I spoke with said that it was her understanding that there were no differences in the suspension. And this makes sense too. Otherwise, the sticker on the 17" car would list among the options a tuned or different suspension.

[spwolf]

Originally Posted by cycledrum

Not from what I've read in Car and Driver and seen in Edmunds videos .... the Honda Civic is said to top the Mazda 3 and Corolla in fun to drive, handling category.

Accord, 4/10 stars enthusiast rating, Camry, 2/10 , etc....

Not surprised either as Honda races in elite Formula 1, Indy, MotoGP. Toyota - some Rolex series, Nascar, NHRA, offroad.

i said balance of both, and latest models... Since I am in Europe, I know only about European models - Yaris/Corolla/Auris/Avensis all have very good handling with pretty decent comfort as well - best in class mix between both.

2004 Prius would be bu far the plushest vehicle in our European lineup, so expect it to grow firmer, but still be more comfortable than competing vehicles.

[Tideland Prius]

Originally Posted by spwolf

i said balance of both, and latest models... Since I am in Europe, I know only about European models - Yaris/Corolla/Auris/Avensis all have very good handling with pretty decent comfort as well - best in class mix between both.

2004 Prius would be bu far the plushest vehicle in our European lineup, so expect it to grow firmer, but still be more comfortable than competing vehicles.

On the flipside, the Corolla and Camry are plusher than the Prius. The Prius is up there with the Yaris in terms of ride (maybe not as choppy because of the longer wheelbase) but I can tell you that the Sienna minivan with the same rear torsion beam type rear suspension is a lot plusher (perhaps because of the added weight?) than the Yaris or Prius with the same type of suspension. The Corolla was softer and more comfortable before when it had IRS but since 2003, they've stuck with a rear torsion beam (aka twist beam)

[icntspl]

Originally Posted by cycledrum

Not surprised either as Honda races in elite Formula 1, Indy, MotoGP. Toyota - some Rolex series, Nascar, NHRA, offroad.

do you even know what you are talking about or is all your information from edmunds.com?