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Old 10-07-2009, 03:28 PM   #1
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Default Engine RPM @ 70 MPH

Does anyone know how many rpm's the engine is running @ 70 mph.
Sure do miss a tach.
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:46 PM   #2
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Default Re: Engine RPM @ 70 MPH

Bill,

It depends.

With a CVT (continuously variable transmission), factors such as engine load, vehicle load and terrain will affect engine revs. With cruise set, engine revs will climb when driving up a hill and drop when driving down a hill as the transmission seeks out the correct ratio for the circumstances.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:08 PM   #3
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Bill,

It depends.

With a CVT (continuously variable transmission), factors such as engine load, vehicle load and terrain will affect engine revs. With cruise set, engine revs will climb when driving up a hill and drop when driving down a hill as the transmission seeks out the correct ratio for the circumstances.
Thanks for the reply, sure are a bunch of variables.
Ok just a round about figure on a flat road, sunny day, no wind, 400 lbs of total added weight.
I know the cvt wants to keep the engine in the sweet spot.
Just curious.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:55 PM   #4
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Default Re: Engine RPM @ 70 MPH

Following is a copy of my post.
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The Japanese sales staff manual says following data at 120km/h(74.6MPH).
item2G3G
engine RPM2,470rpm2,180rpm
MPG40.5MPG44.7MPG
Please note that higher speed always worsen your mileage at highway.

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Default Re: Engine RPM @ 70 MPH

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The Japanese sales staff manual says following data at 120km/h(74.6MPH).
item2G3G
engine RPM2,470rpm2,180rpm
MPG40.5MPG44.7MPG
Please note that higher speed always worsen your mileage at highway.

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Thanks Ken@Japan, thats what I wanted to know.
Couldn't find that nfo when I did a search.
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Old 10-07-2009, 07:57 PM   #6
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Default Re: Engine RPM @ 70 MPH

If you are curious how much it can vary, you can use this simulator. 114 km/h is about 70 MPH
A simulation of Prius's Planetary Gear

In theory, it can be anywhere from idle. (1000 RPM) to redline (5000 RPM)
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:32 AM   #7
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Default Re: Engine RPM @ 70 MPH

I just bought a ScangaugeII (I, too, miss a tach) and I guess I can understand why a tach wasn't included in the MFD. Even at a steady/high speed, the rpms are all over the place. And, especially coming from a type-S RSX, they are *way* low. Amazing to see the slightest downhill drop the engine speed to ~ 900 rpm even at 70+. Generally (anecdotally), it seems to run about 1800-2500 at highway speeds.

Gotta keep those eyes on the road...
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Old 10-09-2009, 07:59 AM   #8
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Default Re: Engine RPM @ 70 MPH

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If you are curious how much it can vary, you can use this simulator. 114 km/h is about 70 MPH
A simulation of Prius's Planetary Gear

In theory, it can be anywhere from idle. (1000 RPM) to redline (5000 RPM)
That simulator's speed display is for Gen 2. Gen 3 has a different final drive ratio so the speeds are different.

The key point is that the combination of motor and engine torque has to balance the current road demand, with just enough power being produced to keep the electronics running (base load: 300-400W). Otherwise the battery will be slightly charging or discharging. In practice this means the engine has to run a lot faster than the limitations of that simulator would suggest. For a road speed of 113km/h (about 70mph) the simulator says MG1 can be running backwards at 6,500rpm and the engine at 1,150rpm, but in fact the engine can only achieve about 10kW down there, and just to overcome wind resistance requires about 15kW. My guess was that total losses are approaching 20kW; the power curve suggests that Gen 2 would be producing about 25kW at the engine speed that Ken indicated.
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Old 10-10-2009, 09:38 AM   #9
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Default Re: Engine RPM @ 70 MPH

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Following is a copy of my post.
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The Japanese sales staff manual says following data at 120km/h(74.6MPH).
item2G3G
engine RPM2,470rpm2,180rpm
MPG40.5MPG44.7MPG
Please note that higher speed always worsen your mileage at highway.
After adjusting for the temperature, 82-86F / 28-30C, there is good agreement:
Click the image to open in full size.
Warmer temperatures make the air thinner and reduces aerodynamic drag. You'll notice the 80 mph / 124 kph test at 62F/16C had a significant drop.

Bob Wilson

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Old 10-10-2009, 07:01 PM   #10
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Does anyone know how many rpm's the engine is running @ 70 mph.
Sure do miss a tach.
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Not sure about my Prius, but my 1988 VW Cabriolet runs at about 3500 RPM at 70 MPH.
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