Ford ESCAPE the hybrid

PetersPrius · 04-22-2004, 01:56 PM

I read that Ford bought Toyota's hybrid system. And then I found out that they bought the OLD technology. HA Ha, putting them even further behind. So, if you're think wow cool ford has a hybrid, think again. The '04 Prius is way ahead technologically than anything else available today !

Wolfman · 04-22-2004, 02:27 PM

How is purchasing Toyota's old design a step backwards? Besides the big bux Lexus and Hylander, this will be the only other SUV out there with a hybrid system. I'm all for it, and will likely purchase one in a couple of years. I don't need or want a $40k large SUV. All I want is a small one that my folks can get in and out of without undue discomfort when they visit, and have the ability to pull my snowmobile up to the snowy places to go play in the winter.

Remember, without the classic's system, you wouldn't be driving that '04 today. Since I'm getting EPA city figures on my severely highway biased commute in my classic, the "older" system works fine.

Bill60546 · 04-22-2004, 03:49 PM

Atleast Ford had the guts to admit they couldnt build one and the courage to buy the technology, even if it is first generation. GM's "hybrid" option of accessory power only, which improves MPG by 1-2, is a joke. Honda, whose products I happily owned for 15 years prior to buying my Prius, will eventually get it right and continue to make a great product. Anything that improves MPG by 35-50% is a good thing and support completely.

bookrats · 04-22-2004, 03:51 PM

I agree -- if I really wanted an SUV, I'm hard-pressed to see the downside of getting a hybrid one, whoever makes it.

Now, I'd probably be much more interested in the Lexus/Toyota hybrids than the Ford one, given general reliability from the two companies. But I'd wait and see what the reviews were like.

It's GM that's the "death spiral" poster-child auto company, IMO.

aarons12 · 04-22-2004, 05:01 PM

biggest problem i see with the lexus/toyota is price. last estimate i saw for the rx400 was $54,000. and if the general estimate of $5-6,000 over the cost of an ICE only model is correct, that would put the highlander up around $40k fully loaded.

of course, i am not in any way comparing the escape to a lexus or even the highlander. but still, that's a lot of money considering the accidents, theft, and vandalism where i live.

**Danny** · 04-22-2004, 05:26 PM

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biggest problem i see with the lexus/toyota is price. last estimate i saw for the rx400 was $54,000. and if the general estimate of $5-6,000 over the cost of an ICE only model is correct, that would put the highlander up around $40k fully loaded.

of course, i am not in any way comparing the escape to a lexus or even the highlander. but still, that's a lot of money considering the accidents, theft, and vandalism where i live.

I saw that price, too, but then I noticed that it was a Canadian article, so I figured in Canadian Dollars, that's $39,838.04 US. The AWD version of the 2004 RX330 is $37,300.

aarons12 · 04-22-2004, 05:39 PM

that makes sense...

ibis315 · 04-22-2004, 08:06 PM

Stevenscreek Toyota in San Jose is taking preorders for the hybrid Highlander. They're asking $42k. You can get the base ICE Highlander for $25k. The price difference is :cussing:

aarons12 · 04-22-2004, 10:17 PM

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Stevenscreek Toyota in San Jose is taking preorders for the hybrid Highlander. They're asking $42k. You can get the base ICE Highlander for $25k. The price difference is :cussing:

that's my worst fears come true, if correct. but then that is probably fully loaded as well... too bad, but i guess toyota can't subsidize forever.

Puzzler1 · 04-23-2004, 04:06 AM

Hi everyone. I've been lurking here for quite a while. Waiting on my Prius since November 10.

I just wanted to say that Ford is not using old Toyota hybrid technology.
I found an article showing that they bought just patent rights because they felt that their independently developed system was similar to Toyota and they didn't want any patent infringement problems. See article here.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=1...id=azDp8xWV5rsU

Hope this helps dispel any misconceptions.

Terry

04-22-2004, 01:56 PM	#1
PetersPrius Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: East Hampton, NY Posts: 54 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Ford ESCAPE the hybrid I read that Ford bought Toyota's hybrid system. And then I found out that they bought the OLD technology. HA Ha, putting them even further behind. So, if you're think wow cool ford has a hybrid, think again. The '04 Prius is way ahead technologically than anything else available today !

04-22-2004, 02:27 PM	#2
Wolfman Moderator (on leave) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Paradise, TX Posts: 1,205 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	How is purchasing Toyota's old design a step backwards? Besides the big bux Lexus and Hylander, this will be the only other SUV out there with a hybrid system. I'm all for it, and will likely purchase one in a couple of years. I don't need or want a $40k large SUV. All I want is a small one that my folks can get in and out of without undue discomfort when they visit, and have the ability to pull my snowmobile up to the snowy places to go play in the winter. Remember, without the classic's system, you wouldn't be driving that '04 today. Since I'm getting EPA city figures on my severely highway biased commute in my classic, the "older" system works fine. __________________ 1981 Mercedes 300D 1982 Thomas Transitliner 2003 Toyota Prius (gone, but will not be forgotten, thanx Toyota for bringing us the future) 1998 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid FWD 1981 John Deere Liquifire (winter toy) 1983 Yamaha Virago 920 2004 Honda GL1800 Goldwing (delivered 7.6.04 with .4 miles on it)

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04-22-2004, 03:49 PM	#3
Bill60546 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 338 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Atleast Ford had the guts to admit they couldnt build one and the courage to buy the technology, even if it is first generation. GM's "hybrid" option of accessory power only, which improves MPG by 1-2, is a joke. Honda, whose products I happily owned for 15 years prior to buying my Prius, will eventually get it right and continue to make a great product. Anything that improves MPG by 35-50% is a good thing and support completely.

04-22-2004, 03:51 PM	#4
bookrats Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,843 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I agree -- if I really wanted an SUV, I'm hard-pressed to see the downside of getting a hybrid one, whoever makes it. Now, I'd probably be much more interested in the Lexus/Toyota hybrids than the Ford one, given general reliability from the two companies. But I'd wait and see what the reviews were like. It's GM that's the "death spiral" poster-child auto company, IMO.

04-22-2004, 05:01 PM	#5
aarons12 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: long island, NY Posts: 705 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	biggest problem i see with the lexus/toyota is price. last estimate i saw for the rx400 was $54,000. and if the general estimate of $5-6,000 over the cost of an ICE only model is correct, that would put the highlander up around $40k fully loaded. of course, i am not in any way comparing the escape to a lexus or even the highlander. but still, that's a lot of money considering the accidents, theft, and vandalism where i live.

04-22-2004, 05:39 PM	#7
aarons12 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: long island, NY Posts: 705 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	that makes sense...

04-22-2004, 08:06 PM	#8
ibis315 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 12 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Stevenscreek Toyota in San Jose is taking preorders for the hybrid Highlander. They're asking $42k. You can get the base ICE Highlander for $25k. The price difference is :cussing:

04-23-2004, 04:06 AM	#10
Puzzler1 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CT Posts: 6 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Hi everyone. I've been lurking here for quite a while. Waiting on my Prius since November 10. I just wanted to say that Ford is not using old Toyota hybrid technology. I found an article showing that they bought just patent rights because they felt that their independently developed system was similar to Toyota and they didn't want any patent infringement problems. See article here. http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=1...id=azDp8xWV5rsU Hope this helps dispel any misconceptions. Terry