Consumer Reports: Toyota quality slipping, Ford quality improving

JackDodge · 10-16-2007, 04:24 PM

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...PDATE/710160435

The Detroit newspapers are crowing about this one so I thought that I'd share it with y'all.

"For the first time in the survey's history, a version of the Toyota Camry - the V6 - isn't recommended by the publication."

"Consumer Reports said The Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan sedans rank among the most reliable family cars in its survey, along with the Toyota Prius and Honda Accord. Those Ford sedans and the two-wheel drive Ford F-150 V-6 comprise three of the four domestic models on the survey's "most reliable" list."

boulder_bum · 10-16-2007, 04:27 PM

Also dragging Toyota down is the unreliable, inefficient Tundra. One more reason why Toyota should drop those gas guzzlers!

dbermanmd · 10-16-2007, 04:28 PM

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http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...PDATE/710160435

The Detroit newspapers are crowing about this one so I thought that I'd share it with y'all.

"For the first time in the survey's history, a version of the Toyota Camry - the V6 - isn't recommended by the publication."

"Consumer Reports said The Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan sedans rank among the most reliable family cars in its survey, along with the Toyota Prius and Honda Accord. Those Ford sedans and the two-wheel drive Ford F-150 V-6 comprise three of the four domestic models on the survey's "most reliable" list."
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How is Dodge doing Jack

daveleeprius · 10-16-2007, 04:32 PM

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Also dragging Toyota down is the unreliable, inefficient Tundra. One more reason why Toyota should drop those gas guzzlers!
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Well I think this survey was primarily about reliability, not fuel efficiency. It's too bad to see the V6 Camry ratings go down. That being said, if I were buying a new Camry I'd get the XLE but the 4 cylinder engine version anyway as I don't need the huge horsepower and low gas milage of the V6. I think my parents 97 XLE Camry gets around 22mpg or so.

JackDodge · 10-16-2007, 04:53 PM

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How is Dodge doing Jack

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heh, the second part of my forum name refers to my favorite skill in producing prints in the darkroom back in college.

boulder_bum · 10-16-2007, 05:36 PM

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Well I think this survey was primarily about reliability, not fuel efficiency.
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Right, I simply meant to point out that Toyota's least efficient vehicles are dragging down not only the fleet fuel economy, but also the overall quality rating of the brand.

The Prius, on the other hand, is noted as both the most fuel efficient car Toyota makes AND one of the most reliable cars period.

morpheusx · 10-16-2007, 05:51 PM

I don't trust anything too seriously from consumer reports. I don't think they are biased by any means but when their test results on even the Prius comes back at under 40 MPG I wonder how hard they must drive these vehicles. When you drive any car like a racecar it lasts like a racecar, obviously a smaller more efficient engine is going to take a beating because it will be working closer to maximum output. There is a reason why they rebuild Jeff Gordon's nascar motor every week.

IsrAmeriPrius · 10-16-2007, 06:08 PM

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I don't trust anything too seriously from consumer reports. I don't think they are biased by any means but when their test results on even the Prius comes back at under 40 MPG I wonder how hard they must drive these vehicles.[/b]

Consumer Reports got 44 MPG when they tested the Prius, a result which is almost identical to the revised EPA figures.

JackDodge · 10-16-2007, 06:29 PM

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I don't trust anything too seriously from consumer reports. I don't think they are biased by any means but when their test results on even the Prius comes back at under 40 MPG I wonder how hard they must drive these vehicles. When you drive any car like a racecar it lasts like a racecar, obviously a smaller more efficient engine is going to take a beating because it will be working closer to maximum output. There is a reason why they rebuild Jeff Gordon's nascar motor every week.
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I trust CR for reliability and other data. As any Prius driver here will tell you, CR is way off on mpg for it. Their drivers must not be very adept at getting good mileage for any car. MPG is variable, depending on terrain and the driver.

galaxee · 10-16-2007, 08:05 PM

well, the v6s in the camry have always been less reliable than the i4s.

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boulder_bum Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Castle Rock, CO Posts: 1,293 My Car: 2007 Prius Model: Package: N/A Thanks: 1 Thanked 23 Times in 6 Posts Friends: 5	Also dragging Toyota down is the unreliable, inefficient Tundra. One more reason why Toyota should drop those gas guzzlers!

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morpheusx Professor Chaos Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 1,505 My Car: 2007 Prius Model: Package: #2 Thanks: 7 Thanked 39 Times in 25 Posts Friends: 3	I don't trust anything too seriously from consumer reports. I don't think they are biased by any means but when their test results on even the Prius comes back at under 40 MPG I wonder how hard they must drive these vehicles. When you drive any car like a racecar it lasts like a racecar, obviously a smaller more efficient engine is going to take a beating because it will be working closer to maximum output. There is a reason why they rebuild Jeff Gordon's nascar motor every week.

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galaxee resident lab rat Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: boilermaker territory Posts: 9,675 My Car: 2005 Prius Model: N/A Package: #5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 93 Times in 37 Posts Friends: 26	well, the v6s in the camry have always been less reliable than the i4s.