Big 3 to deepen discounts

[cwerdna]

Big 3 to deepen discounts

I'd imagine that they're referring to content in Edmunds.com Reports True Cost of Incentives for January: Incentives 7.5 Percent More Generous Than Last Year.

[Godiva]

It's not gonna help.

[hill]

Mayby not you and I, but the (quasi) big 3 still have a lot of ignorant people to pander their products to ... people whose egos are tied to (poorly preceived) macho sexy power ... people who enjoy sporting an attitude that reeks of, 'I don't care, even when gas hits $5/gallon' ... people who don't care if their fuel comes from terrorist countries, people who foolishly thinking they're 'buying american' from outsourcing companies that simply wave flags in their commercials, allthewhile laying off and downsizing their domestic employees. It's a lot like the cigarette industry, that used to say, "we're only selling and advertising what the people want ... that's all".

[finman]

"It's a lot like the cigarette industry, that used to say, "we're only selling and advertising what the people want ... that's all"."

Hey, how 'bout a new movie...'Thank you for buying GM', using the same premise from Thank You for Smoking: "they're addictive, they're cool...they practically sell themselves!"

[viking31]

Originally Posted by hill

Mayby not you and I, but the (quasi) big 3 still have a lot of ignorant people to pander their products to ... people whose egos are tied to (poorly preceived) macho sexy power ... people who enjoy sporting an attitude that reeks of, 'I don't care, even when gas hits $5/gallon' ... people who don't care if their fuel comes from terrorist countries, people who foolishly thinking they're 'buying american' from outsourcing companies that simply wave flags in their commercials, allthewhile laying off and downsizing their domestic employees. It's a lot like the cigarette industry, that used to say, "we're only selling and advertising what the people want ... that's all".

Gotta love these posts - 'Everyone who does not do as I do is a moron'. It's nice to know we have some intelligent people on this board who can show those who do not drive a Prius how to run their lives successfully. Please share with us your lifestyle so we can all be as happy and productive as you... Perhaps you could tell all the hard working blue collar workers and manufactuers of this country to their face they are just a bunch of ignorant slobs as you allured to above... Nice...

Fuel from terrorist countries?? Sorry to burst your bubble but the Mid East will ALWAYS be able to produce oil at a price lower than we can. Though you may care where your oil comes from I can assure the vast majority of people in this country could care less where it comes from. Don't believe me - just walk into any Walmart. And, BTW, Citgo seems to being doing just fine these days.

Rick
#4 2006

[JimN]

If the price is right people will buy junk. I'll stop calling Detroit's products junk when they start leading reliability surveys.

[cwerdna]

Originally Posted by viking31

Gotta love these posts - 'Everyone who does not do as I do is a moron'. It's nice to know we have some intelligent people on this board who can show those who do not drive a Prius how to run their lives successfully. Please share with us your lifestyle so we can all be as happy and productive as you... Perhaps you could tell all the hard working blue collar workers and manufactuers of this country to their face they are just a bunch of ignorant slobs as you allured to above... Nice...

Been there, done that. My parents have owned 3 GM products and 2 from Chrysler Corp. The GM products were all crap. The last Chrysler was ok except for its transmission.

GM makes virtually nothing appealing to me at all from a value, styling quality, and reliability point of view (along w/other criteria). About the only interesting car to me is the Corvette. Their Sky and Solstice might be more interesting if they were reliable and handled better than the Miata.

Not everyone needs to drive a Prius or a Toyota for that matter. However, it's clear that the Big 3 and its customers have become addicted to incentives. They're unable to sell them at their prices that have been slapped on them, hence the incentives. And yes, there are loyalists in certain parts of the country who will only buy Ford, GM, or whatever brand for whatever reason.

Fuel from terrorist countries?? Sorry to burst your bubble but the Mid East will ALWAYS be able to produce oil at a price lower than we can. Though you may care where your oil comes from I can assure the vast majority of people in this country could care less where it comes from. Don't believe me - just walk into any Walmart. And, BTW, Citgo seems to being doing just fine these days.

Rick
#4 2006

Does it make it right? Should we be dependent on a non-renewable resource coming from volatile regions of the world and a cartel? Is it a good idea to be sending money to regions of the world who don't like us much where many terrorists come from? Is it a good idea to be buying from dictator Hugo Chavez?

[hill]

Originally Posted by viking31

Gotta love these posts - 'Everyone who does not do as I do is a moron'. It's nice to know we have some intelligent people on this board who can show those who do not drive a Prius how to run their lives successfully. Please share with us your lifestyle so we can all be as happy and productive as you... Perhaps you could tell all the hard working blue collar workers and manufactuers of this country to their face they are just a bunch of ignorant slobs as you allured to above... Nice...

Fuel from terrorist countries?? Sorry to burst your bubble but the Mid East will ALWAYS be able to produce oil at a price lower than we can. Though you may care where your oil comes from I can assure the vast majority of people in this country could care less where it comes from. Don't believe me - just walk into any Walmart. And, BTW, Citgo seems to being doing just fine these days.

Rick
#4 2006

Didn't mean to get anyone uptight rick, but it sounds like your doing the thing you're condemming ... namely saying someone's a moron for saying someones a moron, tho the critique was towards the media, not so much the people that buy into it. Smokers buy into it, car buyers buy into it, and if one points it out, it gets people tense ... because folks often can't deal with too big a dose of reality. No hard fealings, I hope.

[Jimmie84]

Originally Posted by hill

Mayby not you and I, but the (quasi) big 3 still have a lot of ignorant people to pander their products to ... people whose egos are tied to (poorly preceived) macho sexy power ... people who enjoy sporting an attitude that reeks of, 'I don't care, even when gas hits $5/gallon' ... people who don't care if their fuel comes from terrorist countries, people who foolishly thinking they're 'buying american' from outsourcing companies that simply wave flags in their commercials, allthewhile laying off and downsizing their domestic employees. It's a lot like the cigarette industry, that used to say, "we're only selling and advertising what the people want ... that's all".

But Hill you need to understand that auto manufacturers make what people demand. You have people that want to drive a car and you have people that want to drive a truck. You have people who like Toyota and people who like to drive a Chevrolet.

Do your research and you will see that most of the oil imported to the US is from Venezuela. Want to increase more domestic jobs? Start drilling more oil in the US to reduce foreign dependency like we did in the 70's and we will be seeing gas prices drop. Of course, We are already drilling in ND now that a Mn comapny has located a huge area of oil in that area that strecthes from southern Canada to Kansas and Wyoming.

But of course, We have stupid legislators in the Govt who want to protect everything and sanction this based on there own personal control fetish. So we protect more and more and we get less and less. Sounds communistic too me.

You drive a lexus too? Your a hypocrite! You got a big ego to push a small car and your environmentalist views onto people.

Now, I went vehicle shopping this morning but with no intentions of Buying from Toyota I wanted to se what discounts I would get offered. I got NOTHING.

I walked into a Chevrolet dealer said here is my Military ID and I'm in the US Army ( As I did at Toyota). I got the outmost respect and great treatment from the dealership. I was even Thanked for serving my country. Now as far as Toyota I was treated like shit after I showed them my ID.

I now have a 2008 Chevy Silverado 1500 sitting in my garage.

Maybe we should ban trading all together and say see yah foreign automakers.

[hill]

Jimmie, you can't get more oil in the U.S. by simply drilling more holes.

Hubbert peak theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That much has been acknowledged since the 1950's ... that we'd peak in the 1970's. Ever since then, the U.S has pumped less, here. Sure, there's a ton of oil fields across the U.S. that aren't hardly half way empty, but that's because the LAST half doesn't simply squirt out of the ground like part of the first half does. It takes an ever increasing amount of energy to get the last bit. Thus, we'll NEVER run out, because we can't create enough energy to force it out. Eventually it becomes a crisis. Just like smoking cig's. enjoyable for many ... advertised as glamor, but ... you know the end of the story.

As for our AWD Lexus SUV, at least it can get over 30mpg. I wish we could have all our cars get over 60mpg, but sometimes you have to carry a lot of cargo and people. But GM? Their AWD SUV equivalent is what. That's right, they don't have one.

BTW, I feel bad for ANY G.I. that gets disrespected, and for any one else as well. I also feel bad that you (and anyone else) ended up with transportation that only gets around 16mpg. GM is giving away their guzzlers because most see the low mpg as an issue. It is. Did they give you a deal because you are a G.I. ?? I don't know. Around here, GM gives deals to credit union members, state employees, corporations, school employees ... you name it.

IMO GM (or whomever) only gives "deals" because it's not really a deal ... and I'd find it to be personally insulting for them to think I'd believe they think I'm "special" because I belong to this group or that group. That's what Tom Sawyer did. Got someone to paint his fense, by convincing him how "special" he was. But that's the Ad man's game ... to make you think you're special ... smart ... sexy ... outdoor'sey ... strong ... rich image ... what ever.

Selling cars aint charity work. If they CAN get more, they WILL.

As for Venezuela?
Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries