65 mpg honda hybrid

fillerup · 10-26-2005, 07:55 PM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107691

Also note the possibility of a v6 diesel for larger hondas.

Wow! things are moving fast for fuel efficient vehicles.

LaughingMan · 10-26-2005, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by fillerup@Oct 26 2005, 07:55 PM
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107691

Also note the possibility of a v6 diesel for larger hondas.

Wow! things are moving fast for fuel efficient vehicles.

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I wonder where this new 65 MPG vehicle will fall in the Honda lineup...it doesn't make too much sense to create a new vehicle point between the Civic and the ultra-compact Insight...

Maybe they are talking about the next generation of Civic Hybrid engine, out next time they rev the Civic (should be a good couple of years).

**Tideland Prius** · 10-26-2005, 10:39 PM

Tis good. Just note diesel prices here are rather expensive compared to petrol here in BC.

That 65mpg could be really nice. Hmm, 4 cylinder. Can't be on the Accord cause even then its extra weight might negate it. Perhaps on a Honda Fit? or updated HCH?

windstrings · 10-26-2005, 11:11 PM

Im not sure this is worth their trouble when they charge 3.25 a gallon for diesel when at the same time theyare charging 2.45 a gallon for gas?
At least thats the game here in washington state.

Its almost like they penalyze folks who try to save cost and break free from their tenacious grip?.

I remember when diesel was much cheaper than gas?

tripp · 10-26-2005, 11:32 PM

I noticed that too. Here in Denver diesel is $3.50/gal while the 85 octane petro is $2.56. Diesel is going up and gasoline is coming down. I figured that they'd tend to move in the same direction, not apart. Anybody have a guess as to why that's the case? Are there supply issues (appearently) with diesel right now?

LaughingMan · 10-26-2005, 11:32 PM

I think the real hardcore diesel people are thinking about those cars for the possibility of biodiesel...

They all want to put used vegetable oil into their tanks and have that run their diesel cars without paying for any kind of petroleum based product.

Nevermind the environmental effects of burnt oil :-), it's still freaking cool.

tripp · 10-26-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by LaughingMan@Oct 26 2005, 09:32 PM
I think the real hardcore diesel people are thinking about those cars for the possibility of biodiesel...

They all want to put used vegetable oil into their tanks and have that run their diesel cars without paying for any kind of petroleum based product.

Nevermind the environmental effects of burnt oil :-), it's still freaking cool.

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yeah. And it's cheap! Of course you have to spend the time making it and you have to be pretty precise or you've just wasted a lot of time. You also have to handle some of the intermediate products. One of them, sodium methoxide, will kill you nerves faster than they register pain. Comfortably numb.... or not. Still, that's no big deal if you're careful and wear the right protective gear. It's just gotta be great to drive up to McDonalds and walk off with the raw ingredients for your car's fuel!

Vespasian · 10-27-2005, 01:32 AM

Notice how Honda didn't give any timeline whatsoever other than they might have a prototype of just the ICE next year. I hate when car companies do that.

BTW, GM has already started research on HCCI engines:

GM, Bosch and Stanford Partner to Develop HCCI; Targeting a 20% Improvement in Gasoline-Engine Fuel Efficiency

TimBikes · 10-27-2005, 01:33 AM

Note the core technology in the story IS NOT diesel - it is HCCI - high compression using gasoline. Interesting technology if they can pull it off.

naterprius · 10-27-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by tripp@Oct 26 2005, 08:32 PM
I noticed that too. Here in Denver diesel is $3.50/gal while the 85 octane petro is $2.56. Diesel is going up and gasoline is coming down. I figured that they'd tend to move in the same direction, not apart. Anybody have a guess as to why that's the case? Are there supply issues (appearently) with diesel right now?

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Here's why:

http://priuschat.com/index.php?showt...&st=0&p=143757

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10-26-2005, 07:55 PM	#1
fillerup Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 19 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107691 Also note the possibility of a v6 diesel for larger hondas. Wow! things are moving fast for fuel efficient vehicles.

10-26-2005, 10:39 PM	#3
Tideland Prius Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 13,397 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: B Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 11	Tis good. Just note diesel prices here are rather expensive compared to petrol here in BC. That 65mpg could be really nice. Hmm, 4 cylinder. Can't be on the Accord cause even then its extra weight might negate it. Perhaps on a Honda Fit? or updated HCH?

10-26-2005, 11:11 PM	#4
windstrings Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Texas Posts: 3,924 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #8 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Im not sure this is worth their trouble when they charge 3.25 a gallon for diesel when at the same time theyare charging 2.45 a gallon for gas? At least thats the game here in washington state. Its almost like they penalyze folks who try to save cost and break free from their tenacious grip?. I remember when diesel was much cheaper than gas?

10-26-2005, 11:32 PM	#5
tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,288 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: #3 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 2	I noticed that too. Here in Denver diesel is $3.50/gal while the 85 octane petro is $2.56. Diesel is going up and gasoline is coming down. I figured that they'd tend to move in the same direction, not apart. Anybody have a guess as to why that's the case? Are there supply issues (appearently) with diesel right now?

10-26-2005, 11:32 PM	#6
LaughingMan Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Marlborough, MA Posts: 1,386 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	I think the real hardcore diesel people are thinking about those cars for the possibility of biodiesel... They all want to put used vegetable oil into their tanks and have that run their diesel cars without paying for any kind of petroleum based product. Nevermind the environmental effects of burnt oil :-), it's still freaking cool.

10-27-2005, 01:32 AM	#8
Vespasian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 126 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Notice how Honda didn't give any timeline whatsoever other than they might have a prototype of just the ICE next year. I hate when car companies do that. BTW, GM has already started research on HCCI engines: GM, Bosch and Stanford Partner to Develop HCCI; Targeting a 20% Improvement in Gasoline-Engine Fuel Efficiency

10-27-2005, 01:33 AM	#9
TimBikes Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: WA Posts: 1,097 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: #5 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Note the core technology in the story IS NOT diesel - it is HCCI - high compression using gasoline. Interesting technology if they can pull it off.