Ford Hybrid to be 300% more efficient..than prius.

robochimp · 02-13-2006, 03:31 PM

http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06...lichybrid.html

SomervillePrius · 02-13-2006, 03:38 PM

If it's true it would be AWSOME and a great boost for light truck and SUVs. To me it sounds like a gyro por spin wheel (similar to what balances a segway). It would be interesting to know more.

If they can make a F-150 as fuel efficient as a Prius I would be impressed!

That said I've never heard of this site before and the text offers no real details

darelldd · 02-13-2006, 03:39 PM

I try my best to keep an open mind about these things. If Ford makes an F150 that gets 60mpg, I may just have to re-think my very reality though!

Man. 60mpg. Figure out a way of "charging" these mysterious "hydraulic cylinders" without gasoline, and we're onto something GREAT! Can we assume that these are giant air springs or something?

SomervillePrius · 02-13-2006, 03:45 PM

Hmm while this hydralic hybrid seems real it's real world useage seems limited... See this article:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../512180348/1148

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As Johnson sat behind the wheel of the Expedition, agency officials said the hydraulic hybrid version would get 32 mpg in city driving and 22 mpg on the highway. The conventional gasoline-only Expedition averages 13 mpg in the city and 20 mpg on the highway.

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The cost of the hydraulic system -- about $1,000 -- would be paid back in nine months of driving, officials said.

The EPA is working on pilot projects with Ford Motor Co., the U.S. Army, Eaton Corp. and United Parcel Service to get the technology into the real world as quickly as possible.

UPS, for example, expects to use a hydraulic hybrid truck in the spring. Because of the added weight of the tanks used to store pressurized fluid in the system, engineers expect the best application for hydraulic hybrids will be in heavy-duty trucks that start and stop a lot in city driving.

With 88,000 delivery vehicles and $1.4 billion in annual fuel costs, UPS is eager to enhance the fuel economy of its fleet. Its delivery vans now average about 8.5 miles a gallon.

Robert Hall, fleet environmental manager at UPS, said the system operates on a much more basic level than gas-electric hybrids. The less complicated the mechanics, the more likely it is to be durable and reliable, Hall said -- a key criterion for UPS.

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"If you're looking for a lot of power over a short duration, hydraulic hybrids are a good solution," Bohlmann said.

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But because of the added vehicle weight, the hydraulic hybrids tend to get worse fuel economy on the highways -- one of the primary modes of driving for consumers. Ford is in a wait-and-see mode, officials said.

So no in the end it doesn't look real, But I hope UPS and FEDEX looks into this

Frank Hudon · 02-13-2006, 03:54 PM

hydraulic accumulators. Just like the one on the Prius brake system. Well I still think that there is no perpetual motion machine.

mikepaul · 02-13-2006, 03:55 PM

Oddly, I'm kinda worried. I trust batteries to store electricity through a number of recharge cycles, but I don't trust hydraulic cylinders to hold compressed liquid through a similar set of recharges without mechanical damage leading to failure. Some hose may fly off one of these trucks when something blows.

Once they get more than a few test vehicles to put on 200,000 miles apiece, and not have to rebuild the hydraulics, then I'd say they have a viable system....

SomervillePrius · 02-13-2006, 04:00 PM

In the end I can believe it could work in city traffic for UPS delivery trucks. If it does this would be great for fleet vehichles but the numbers that the detroitnews link shows aren't that impressive apart from the system being cheap. I don't think it's such a viable technology but if they get 60MPG in a truck then I'll buy a Expidition (my dog would love me)

JackDodge · 02-13-2006, 04:07 PM

And after they've been putting them out for 30 years and Consumer Reports says that they're as reliable as a Toyota, maybe I'll buy one.

Bill60546 · 02-13-2006, 04:12 PM

Finally, something is being done. If the federal government was going to bail these guys out, they never would of had the incentive to create and introduce such a product. Capitalism lives!

**TonyPSchaefer** · 02-13-2006, 04:17 PM

Hydraulic hybrids have been kicked around for quite some time. The technology really isn't that new. If Ford applies these and cranks out a 60MPG F150 with no drop in hauling power, then I will stand behind them and support their efforts. Man I hope this isn't just vaporware. This would be another offer in addition to the battery hybrids.

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robochimp Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06...lichybrid.html

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SomervillePrius Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 946 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Friends: 0	If it's true it would be AWSOME and a great boost for light truck and SUVs. To me it sounds like a gyro por spin wheel (similar to what balances a segway). It would be interesting to know more. If they can make a F-150 as fuel efficient as a Prius I would be impressed! That said I've never heard of this site before and the text offers no real details

02-13-2006, 03:39 PM	#3
darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Northern CA Posts: 5,336 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: #6 Thanks: 18 Thanked 44 Times in 32 Posts Friends: 12	I try my best to keep an open mind about these things. If Ford makes an F150 that gets 60mpg, I may just have to re-think my very reality though! Man. 60mpg. Figure out a way of "charging" these mysterious "hydraulic cylinders" without gasoline, and we're onto something GREAT! Can we assume that these are giant air springs or something?

02-13-2006, 03:54 PM	#5
Frank Hudon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,144 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	hydraulic accumulators. Just like the one on the Prius brake system. Well I still think that there is no perpetual motion machine.

02-13-2006, 03:55 PM	#6
mikepaul Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 1,742 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Friends: 0	Oddly, I'm kinda worried. I trust batteries to store electricity through a number of recharge cycles, but I don't trust hydraulic cylinders to hold compressed liquid through a similar set of recharges without mechanical damage leading to failure. Some hose may fly off one of these trucks when something blows. Once they get more than a few test vehicles to put on 200,000 miles apiece, and not have to rebuild the hydraulics, then I'd say they have a viable system....

02-13-2006, 04:00 PM	#7
SomervillePrius Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 946 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Friends: 0	In the end I can believe it could work in city traffic for UPS delivery trucks. If it does this would be great for fleet vehichles but the numbers that the detroitnews link shows aren't that impressive apart from the system being cheap. I don't think it's such a viable technology but if they get 60MPG in a truck then I'll buy a Expidition (my dog would love me)

02-13-2006, 04:07 PM	#8
JackDodge Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bloomfield Hills, MI Posts: 2,375 My Car: Other Hybrid Model: Package: N/A Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Friends: 0	And after they've been putting them out for 30 years and Consumer Reports says that they're as reliable as a Toyota, maybe I'll buy one.

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Bill60546 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 347 My Car: Model: Package: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	Finally, something is being done. If the federal government was going to bail these guys out, they never would of had the incentive to create and introduce such a product. Capitalism lives!

02-13-2006, 04:17 PM	#10
TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Far-North Chicagoland Posts: 10,503 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 39 Thanked 165 Times in 106 Posts Friends: 23	Hydraulic hybrids have been kicked around for quite some time. The technology really isn't that new. If Ford applies these and cranks out a 60MPG F150 with no drop in hauling power, then I will stand behind them and support their efforts. Man I hope this isn't just vaporware. This would be another offer in addition to the battery hybrids.