Many Vehicles With Lower Energy Costs Than Hybrids

skruse · 04-19-2006, 11:59 AM

Alex Law of the Canadian Automotive Network offers food-for-thought regarding the cost per mile of operating a vehicle over the life of a vehicle. The article does not pay attention to air quality, sprawl, road construction and maintenance, accidents and other "externalities."

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/news,v...rtid=59574&pg=2

Jeep TJ (Wrangler): $0.604
Chevrolet Tracker: $0.694
Toyota Echo: $0.703
Saturn Ion: $0.709
Hyundai Elantra: $0.723
Dodge SX2.0: $0.728
Toyota Corolla: $0.732
Chevrolet Cavalier: $0.757
Pontiac Sunfire: $0.758
Chevrolet Aveo: $0.765
Mazda Protegé: $0.772
Chevrolet S10: $0.779
Ford Focus: $0.0803
Hyundai Accent: $0.840
Kia Spectra: $0.864
Mitsubishi Lancer: $0.872
Suzuki Aerio: $0.888
Nissan Sentra: $0.962
Kia Rio: $0.964
Ford Ranger: $0.968

Maytrix · 04-19-2006, 12:06 PM

Interesting article, but I think there's some big flaws that aren't addressed.

I question how they determine the various costs that go in to the figures. And how much of an advantage does a well established vehicle have over a new state of the art vehicle? Obviously more has gone into development of the state of the art vehicle, than, let's say a Jeep that's been around forever and ultimately changed very little over the years.

In regards to energy used during the manufacturing process..etc, do they consider where the energy is coming from? Some power is much cleaner than other power, so it would be difficult to compare.

I guess from a pure cost standpoint, the article may make sense, but from an environment standpoint, it is lacking quite a bit.

priusblue · 04-19-2006, 12:10 PM

This has already been hashed out on this thread:

http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=17795&hl=

**Tideland Prius** · 04-19-2006, 03:34 PM

him again.... that's his 4th anti-hybrid article in the past few weeks.

finally_got_one · 04-19-2006, 07:03 PM

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Interesting article, but I think there's some big flaws that aren't addressed.

I question how they determine the various costs that go in to the figures. And how much of an advantage does a well established vehicle have over a new state of the art vehicle? Obviously more has gone into development of the state of the art vehicle, than, let's say a Jeep that's been around forever and ultimately changed very little over the years.

In regards to energy used during the manufacturing process..etc, do they consider where the energy is coming from? Some power is much cleaner than other power, so it would be difficult to compare.

I guess from a pure cost standpoint, the article may make sense, but from an environment standpoint, it is lacking quite a bit.
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Indeed...it would be interesting to see a similar list, but with total emissions over the life of the car...

VaPrius · 04-20-2006, 05:10 AM

In these so-called energy usage studies, they content that the planning of the vehicle is a significant portion of the cost. So, for fair treatment we should add 100+ years of research and design on ICEs by thousands of automotive engineers. Given their analytical ability, imagine what these folks would do to the cost of a hydrogen car!

04-19-2006, 11:59 AM	#1
skruse Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Great Central Valley, Fresno, CA Posts: 1,122 My Car: 2007 Prius Package: #6 Touring Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 2	Alex Law of the Canadian Automotive Network offers food-for-thought regarding the cost per mile of operating a vehicle over the life of a vehicle. The article does not pay attention to air quality, sprawl, road construction and maintenance, accidents and other "externalities." http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/news,v...rtid=59574&pg=2 Jeep TJ (Wrangler): $0.604 Chevrolet Tracker: $0.694 Toyota Echo: $0.703 Saturn Ion: $0.709 Hyundai Elantra: $0.723 Dodge SX2.0: $0.728 Toyota Corolla: $0.732 Chevrolet Cavalier: $0.757 Pontiac Sunfire: $0.758 Chevrolet Aveo: $0.765 Mazda Protegé: $0.772 Chevrolet S10: $0.779 Ford Focus: $0.0803 Hyundai Accent: $0.840 Kia Spectra: $0.864 Mitsubishi Lancer: $0.872 Suzuki Aerio: $0.888 Nissan Sentra: $0.962 Kia Rio: $0.964 Ford Ranger: $0.968 __________________ Touring 2007 Silver AM w/ 6-CD, Sirius satellite - J MUIR Trek 5200 & Trek 2300, Scanguage II Least cost, end use vs. least cost, first use

04-19-2006, 12:06 PM	#2
Maytrix Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Marlborough, Mass Posts: 733 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: #6 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	Interesting article, but I think there's some big flaws that aren't addressed. I question how they determine the various costs that go in to the figures. And how much of an advantage does a well established vehicle have over a new state of the art vehicle? Obviously more has gone into development of the state of the art vehicle, than, let's say a Jeep that's been around forever and ultimately changed very little over the years. In regards to energy used during the manufacturing process..etc, do they consider where the energy is coming from? Some power is much cleaner than other power, so it would be difficult to compare. I guess from a pure cost standpoint, the article may make sense, but from an environment standpoint, it is lacking quite a bit. __________________ __________________________________________________ 2005 Salsa Red Pkg #6. Acquired Sept 1st 2005. 31404 miles as of 9-13-06

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priusblue Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 152 My Car: Package: Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	This has already been hashed out on this thread: http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=17795&hl=

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Tideland Prius Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 13,771 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: B Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 11	him again.... that's his 4th anti-hybrid article in the past few weeks.

04-20-2006, 05:10 AM	#6
VaPrius Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 150 My Car: 2005 Prius Package: #7 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTM Awards: 0 Friends: 0	In these so-called energy usage studies, they content that the planning of the vehicle is a significant portion of the cost. So, for fair treatment we should add 100+ years of research and design on ICEs by thousands of automotive engineers. Given their analytical ability, imagine what these folks would do to the cost of a hydrogen car!