Al Gore on his Prius & earth issues

[dbermanmd]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cameron @ May 24 2006, 04:35 PM) [snapback]260513[/snapback]</div>

...but it deserves consideration and research, not name calling and denial. We can afford to fund research in the causes of global warming and we can afford to regulate the marketplace.
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Yes we can afford the research.

And whose marketplace are you going to regulate - ours, China's, India's???? And who is going to make the decisions on how to regulate it, and to what degree????????

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Oh, this could be fun.
Compared to whom? George W.?
And yet human activity has increased the global CO2 levels by 50% in a century, something that hasn't happened in the last 400,000 years. And CO2 levels track very closely to changes in global temperature. What about the results taken from the grounding of all planes after Sept. 11th that show contrails alone affect our average daily temperature swings? These are all facts.

cant respond to all your comments so I will cherry pick:

Q: algore is an idiot compared to whom?
A: Compared to anybody - you see him at the film festival - he freaken drove the 500 meters between his hotel and the festival location instead of walking - a true ding dong if there was ever one. Cant wait to see how he flies home --- private jet??

CO2 levels - what where they in 1750? Am interested in CO2 levels around the time of Pompeii's destruction too - please let me what they were.

Thank you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nerfer @ May 25 2006, 11:11 AM) [snapback]260888[/snapback]</div>

It is not something he's proud of, I'm sure. However, as a former vice-president of arguably the most powerful country on Earth, he's required to have a certain number of secret service agents and other precautions taken. As a current businessman and, crusader, for lack of a better word, he's expected to travel more than the average person. It's pretty hard to get your point across to people around the globe if you're a hermit. His CO2 footprint should be compared to other industry leaders.

And for the record, he recognized the promise of the Internet and pushed some important legislation to develop what became the Internet (back when it was still part of DARPA and BitNet). Even Newt Gingrich acknowledged that. Of course, saying "I invented the internet" was a gross over-simplification, or a playful exageration, depending on how you look at it.

Personally, I probably would've voted for John McCain if he had still been running, so don't think I'm a die-hard liberal. I think of myself as an environmentally-inclined independent who thinks about each vote. As such, there's no way I could ever vote for two weaselly Texas oilmen.
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A larger CO2 footprint - about the size of his ego I am assuming And he is not required to have secret service coverage - he opts for it. He could still drive a Prius while they follow him in their SUV's ??? And he still could fly coach instead of private jets kinda of like Mr. Buffett. Why is he expected to travel more - or whatever - he still could do it in a more environmentally friendly way - that is if were not a total hypocrit.

And I thank G-d that algore recognized the importance of the internet and acted on it. I kinda of wish he recognized the importance of OBL and acted on that - but we should not mention all the things he did not act on - sorry

Voting for two weaselly oilmen - explain how squeaky clean algore is now holding $50,000,000.00 of Google stock?

But you probalby voted for D - student, bring your movie camera to war, Mr. Sugar Mommy Ketchup??

[Mauibound]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 25 2006, 09:17 AM) [snapback]260908[/snapback]</div>

And he still could fly coach instead of private jets kinda of like Mr. Buffett. Why is he expected to travel more - or whatever - he still could do it in a more environmentally friendly way - that is if were not a total hypocrit.

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Sorry, but Warren Buffett flies private too. Here is a quote talking about how we should raise the consumption tax on those who fly private, "For instance, when I fly my private jet I use hundreds of gallons of jet fuel but I'm not taxed at a higher rate. Flying in a private jet is usually unnecessary, excessive consumption and I should be taxed appropriately via a higher consumption tax." And yet he still does it. Why? The same reason we drive cars instead of taking the bus. It's faster, safer, and in a world where the single most valuable resource is time, it's worth it. But he is right, they should be taxed at a higher rate.

Let's face it, some people hate "do gooders". For some reason, if you try to do something on a large scale to make the air cleaner, or to try to protect wildlife, or to talk about reducing the gap between the haves and the have nots, or to blow the whistle on any number of types of corruption, you are villified by those who for some reason can't stand that sort of thing. On a smaller scale, it's also why some people seem to feel compelled to call Prius drivers "smug". But you know what...in the long run, people don't remember you haters. People remember, and respect the do gooders. Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., John Muir, the religious prophets, and so many others in recent and not so recent history. So take heart Prius fans, and also take heart Al Gore fans. And with that, I'll leave you with two Al Gore quotes:

"No matter how hard the loss, defeat might serve as well as victory to shake the soul and let the glory out."

"The day I made that statement about inventing the internet, I was tired because I'd been up all night inventing the camcorder." (Real quote, and a pretty funny one at that!)

[dbermanmd]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JasonCon @ May 25 2006, 01:16 PM) [snapback]260933[/snapback]</div>

Sorry, but Warren Buffett flies private too. Here is a quote talking about how we should raise the consumption tax on those who fly private, "For instance, when I fly my private jet I use hundreds of gallons of jet fuel but I'm not taxed at a higher rate. Flying in a private jet is usually unnecessary, excessive consumption and I should be taxed appropriately via a higher consumption tax." And yet he still does it. Why? The same reason we drive cars instead of taking the bus. It's faster, safer, and in a world where the single most valuable resource is time, it's worth it. But he is right, they should be taxed at a higher rate.

Let's face it, some people hate "do gooders". For some reason, if you try to do something on a large scale to make the air cleaner, or to try to protect wildlife, or to talk about reducing the gap between the haves and the have nots, or to blow the whistle on any number of types of corruption, you are villified by those who for some reason can't stand that sort of thing. On a smaller scale, it's also why some people seem to feel compelled to call Prius drivers "smug". But you know what...in the long run, people don't remember you haters. People remember, and respect the do gooders. Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., John Muir, the religious prophets, and so many others in recent and not so recent history. So take heart Prius fans, and also take heart Al Gore fans. And with that, I'll leave you with two Al Gore quotes:

"No matter how hard the loss, defeat might serve as well as victory to shake the soul and let the glory out."

"The day I made that statement about inventing the internet, I was tired because I'd been up all night inventing the camcorder." (Real quote, and a pretty funny one at that!)
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You are right with Buffet by the way - in fact I think BH bought a private jet leasing company in part for that reason although with his money he could by any major airline

Love the last quote - excellent.

I just have this thing for algore - I think he is such a looooser. Like I said before all he had to do was win his home state to be President - that tells you enough about him. I wonder what his next windmill will be??

Have a nice day

[eyeguy13]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 25 2006, 12:33 PM) [snapback]260943[/snapback]</div>

You are right with Buffet by the way - in fact I think BH bought a private jet leasing company in part for that reason although with his money he could by any major airline

Love the last quote - excellent.

I just have this thing for algore - I think he is such a looooser. Like I said before all he had to do was win his home state to be President - that tells you enough about him. I wonder what his next windmill will be??

Have a nice day
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I just read the entire thread from start to finish.

dbermanmd, thanks again for giving me a good laugh after lunch! You never cease to amuse me!

I've been busy in other threads lately, the one in particular has been about Liberals being in charge and about Bush bashing and what a travesty it is.

Seems like you've taken Gore Bashing to a new high!!! The next time someone gets on me for Bush bashing, I will reference all your quotes on this thread to shut them up.

So you see, it can go both ways. You Gore/Clinton bash, we Bush bash. It's fun to do. Just stop mocking us when we do it OK?

Oh, almost forgot......

[IsrAmeriPrius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nerfer @ May 25 2006, 08:11 AM) [snapback]260888[/snapback]</div>

And for the record, he recognized the promise of the Internet and pushed some important legislation to develop what became the Internet (back when it was still part of DARPA and BitNet). Even Newt Gingrich acknowledged that. Of course, saying "I invented the internet" was a gross over-simplification, or a playful exageration, depending on how you look at it.[/b]

Al Gore's exact quote was:

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.[/b]

This is what Newt Gingrich had to say about the subject matter:

In all fairness, it’s something Gore had worked on a long time. Gore is not the Father of the Internet, but in all fairness, Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet, and the truth is—and I worked with him starting in 1978 when I got [to Congress], we were both part of a “futures group”—the fact is, in the Clinton administration, the world we had talked about in the ’80s began to actually happen.[/b]

[larkinmj]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 25 2006, 12:17 PM) [snapback]260908[/snapback]</div>

Yes we can afford the research.

A larger CO2 footprint - about the size of his ego I am assuming And he is not required to have secret service coverage - he opts for it.
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Considering how much he gets flamed on a Prius forum, no less; hell, I'd have Secret Service coverage too!

[nerfer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 25 2006, 11:17 AM) [snapback]260908[/snapback]</div>

CO2 levels - what where they in 1750? Am interested in CO2 levels around the time of Pompeii's destruction too - please let me what they were.
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I thought you'd be better informed about something as basic as the most commonly stated GHG (greenhouse gas).

Here's a basic chart: http://www.mongabay.com/images/exter...05/co2_var.jpg, there are others, they all show pretty much the same thing.
As you can see by the inset, CO2 levels in 1750 were about 280 ppm, roughly the same as Pompeii's destruction. Only recently has it rapidly risen past the post-ice-age range. (This is determined largely by ice-core samples, although it can be collaborated by other methods for more recent years). CO2 levels have varied over the millenia, tied closely to global temperatures (there are charts for that too). Today we've pushed the levels to 380 ppm and they're rapidly climbing. Currently they're about 30% higher than at any time in the last 650,000 years. Now do you see why informed people are worried about our economic and cultural future?

To be fair, CO2 levels were apparently much higher back several million years, when dinosaurs lived in Canada and Antartica was green. Of course, most modern-day cities would also be completely flooded in that scenario. The Earth will survive, but human civilization might be cast off like a bad virus over the next century. At the very least, the DJIA will be a hundredth of it's current value.

[Wildkow]

Some Inconvenient Truth about Al.

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2301/Some_Incon...s_About_Al_Gore

Wildkow

[geologyrox]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr Rocket @ May 22 2006, 11:38 PM) [snapback]259541[/snapback]</div>

Al Gore is an idiot. Global warming is NOT manmade. The Earth is much too big to be affected as dramatically as he discusses. Of course, he neglects to discuss how the ice is getting thicker in Greenland's center, how most of the 6,000 glaciers on Earth are growing.

But don't believe me. Check out Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" or better yet, his speeches found on this website:

http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/index.html

for a reasonable well thought discussion. For example, isn't it interesting that most of the scientists that think that MANMADE Global warming is a hoax are retired and not seeking funding. Yet those that need funding will only get it if they are politically correct. Crichton even cites one journal article that concludes that manmade warming is real, yet all the detailed evidence inside the article prove the opposite.

Expand your minds and read all points of view. Follow the money trail for interesting insights.
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As someone who has actually studied paleoclimatology, as well as read the studies you incorrectly interpreted, I'd like to ask you to never, ever post anything without a disclaimer again (perhaps 'Don't listen to me, I like to pretend I know what I'm talking about...'?)

Yes, this has happened before (though it's taken catastrophies to get it to happen this fast). Yes, it will happen again. Yes, the Earth will catch up, and come back to an equilibrium. The effects are only detrimental to the species living on the earth. Oh, wait....

[roperld]

Read my book: http://www.roperld.com/science/humanfuture.pdf (Triple Threats for the Human Future: Will Civilization Arrive?) for a rational discussion of those and many other important issues, including much data.

Dave Roper