Oh, so a Hummer is NOT greener than a Prius

**Tideland Prius** · 10-06-2006, 10:02 PM

Remember that post from a few months ago about a Hummer being greener than a Prius? Well, the outfit that compared those two iconic vehicles, CNW Research, has gotten its study picked up in England (where the comparison is between a Jeep Cherokee and a Prius) and Toyota is responding by calling the study "Recycled Rubbish?".

I was skeptical of the Hummer = green claim at the time, and people certainly got to talking in the comments about the post. Now Toyota steps in and says CNW is wrong on a lot of fronts, from simple factual errors to larger methodical mistakes. It's important to remember that Toyota isn't an objective bystander in the debate, but I've got to their claims make sense to me.

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brandon · 10-06-2006, 10:42 PM

Art Spinella and CNW "Research" have always been full of crap, and I'm glad to see someone calling them on it rather than just blindly accepting their ill-conceived claims.

tripp · 10-06-2006, 11:17 PM

Yeah I remember that too and it was absolute rubbish. Put it in the bin where it belongs. Glad to see it getting the attention that it rightfully deserves.

nerfer · 10-07-2006, 01:11 AM

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Yeah I remember that too and it was absolute rubbish. Put it in the bin where it belongs. Glad to see it getting the attention that it rightfully deserves.
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I added a comment reminding them of the difference in estimated lifetime of a car in the report: 270K or better for the Tahoe, Suburban, Expedition, etc, but only 109K for the Prius. If you read the actual report, the SUVs clearly use a lot more energy in their lifetime, but it's divided over a longer life so their press release claims the energy cost per mile is lower.

chogan · 10-07-2006, 10:06 AM

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I added a comment reminding them of the difference in estimated lifetime of a car in the report: 270K or better for the Tahoe, Suburban, Expedition, etc, but only 109K for the Prius. If you read the actual report, the SUVs clearly use a lot more energy in their lifetime, but it's divided over a longer life so their press release claims the energy cost per mile is lower.
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You are right, but I'd say you are being far too kind to them. The total cost and total energy consumption implied by their "energy cost per mile" numbers were ludicrously too large (by at least an order of magnitude), based on the 3 trillion passenger car miles driven annually in the US. And they got the lifetimes wrong.

kingofgix · 10-11-2006, 09:01 AM

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I was skeptical of the Hummer = green claim at the time

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Only skeptical? You must not have read it very carefully. It was a a total load of crap of the highest order, and so completely wrong as to be laughable. Not worth wasting any more time time on....

**Tideland Prius** · 10-11-2006, 10:43 AM

whoa hey,

I didn't say that. It's part of the article. None of the words in my OP is my opinion lol. That's how you post news articles by posting a few lines or a paragraph or two then the link.

Any opinions are posted after the link to avoid confusion.

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10-06-2006, 10:42 PM	#2
brandon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Manhattan, KS Posts: 770 My Car: 2005 Prius Model: Package: #6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	Art Spinella and CNW "Research" have always been full of crap, and I'm glad to see someone calling them on it rather than just blindly accepting their ill-conceived claims.

10-06-2006, 11:17 PM	#3
tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,323 My Car: 2005 Prius Model: Package: #3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Friends: 6	Yeah I remember that too and it was absolute rubbish. Put it in the bin where it belongs. Glad to see it getting the attention that it rightfully deserves.

10-11-2006, 10:43 AM	#7
Tideland Prius Moderator of the North Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 19,620 My Car: 2010 Prius Model: N/A Package: Technology Package (Canada) Thanks: 229 Thanked 344 Times in 243 Posts Friends: 23	whoa hey, I didn't say that. It's part of the article. None of the words in my OP is my opinion lol. That's how you post news articles by posting a few lines or a paragraph or two then the link. Any opinions are posted after the link to avoid confusion.