EnerDel hybrid plug-in battery to cost $1,500

Eric Nothman · 09-27-2007, 06:45 PM

Here is a start-up with $6.5 million grant from US Advanced Battery Consortium to provide plug-in hybrid batteries at a cost of $1,500 to car manufacturers for the 2010 model year (starts in 2009). They use lithium titanate (similar to Altair Nano technologies) reporting a cost that is half that of current NiMH => http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9780680-7...l?tag=nefd.blgs

etyler88 · 09-28-2007, 09:04 AM

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The technical and marketing issues for EnerDel, and the plug-in industry in general, still need to be fine-tuned. But customers are receptive to the idea, according to Gassenheimer.

"This is a major supply problem, not a demand problem," he said.

By then, there will probably be 65 hybrid cars on the market, he estimated. Right now, there are 15, he said.

usbseawolf2000 · 09-28-2007, 09:34 AM

Something is not right here. The current plug-in NiMH battery pack cost more than $3,000. How did they get $1,500 for this EnerDel pack?

jweale · 09-29-2007, 10:34 AM

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Something is not right here. The current plug-in NiMH battery pack cost more than $3,000. How did they get $1,500 for this EnerDel pack?
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In the future, assuming mass production and a few key breakthroughs, everything is cheaper. They're talking "hopes to deliver" by 2010 model year prices. Promising news, but firmly on my "I'll be happy when I see it" pile.

chogan · 10-01-2007, 07:08 AM

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Something is not right here. The current plug-in NiMH battery pack cost more than $3,000. How did they get $1,500 for this EnerDel pack?
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And it's lithium ion, so its really a different set of materials.

jdenenberg · 10-07-2007, 11:09 AM

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Something is not right here. The current plug-in NiMH battery pack cost more than $3,000. How did they get $1,500 for this EnerDel pack?
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What "plug-in NiMH battery" are you talking about. There is none in production.

$1500 is the expected wholesale price for the EnerDel battery. The Prius hybrid battery wholesale price is currently $1100 (retail is $2200).

JeffD

Godiva · 10-07-2007, 01:12 PM

That's what I was thinking; $1500 wholesale, $3000 retail.

And how many miles? 10, 20, 40?

daniel · 10-07-2007, 08:37 PM

Maybe (???) with so many companies promising to deliver battery technology, one of them will actually come through during the lifetime of my ZAP Xebra. Maybe.

If I was emperor of the world right now, I would issue an edict that any company issuing a press release promising to produce an EV or a new battery technology would have to post a bond of one million dollars or 15% of the value of the company, whichever is greater, and would have to include a date in the press release. If the product is not on the market by that date, meeting the specs in the press release, they would forfeit the bond.

I am sick and tired of promises. I want products.

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09-27-2007, 06:45 PM	#1
Eric Nothman Prius owner Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington DC area Posts: 82 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Friends: 0	Here is a start-up with $6.5 million grant from US Advanced Battery Consortium to provide plug-in hybrid batteries at a cost of $1,500 to car manufacturers for the 2010 model year (starts in 2009). They use lithium titanate (similar to Altair Nano technologies) reporting a cost that is half that of current NiMH => http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9780680-7...l?tag=nefd.blgs

09-28-2007, 09:04 AM	#2
etyler88 etyler88 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dover, DE Posts: 450 My Car: 2005 Prius Model: Package: #3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 1	more quotes The technical and marketing issues for EnerDel, and the plug-in industry in general, still need to be fine-tuned. But customers are receptive to the idea, according to Gassenheimer. "This is a major supply problem, not a demand problem," he said. By then, there will probably be 65 hybrid cars on the market, he estimated. Right now, there are 15, he said.

09-28-2007, 09:34 AM	#3
usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 3,834 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: #3 Thanks: 196 Thanked 248 Times in 158 Posts Friends: 63	Something is not right here. The current plug-in NiMH battery pack cost more than $3,000. How did they get $1,500 for this EnerDel pack?

10-07-2007, 01:12 PM	#7
Godiva AmeriKan Citizen Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 10,340 My Car: 2005 Prius Model: Package: #1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Friends: 7	That's what I was thinking; $1500 wholesale, $3000 retail. And how many miles? 10, 20, 40?