GM Volt in 2013

jtmhog · 12-05-2007, 09:54 AM

On CSPAN last night, D. Larsen, house of representative form Wash state, talked about 15 minutes on the Chevy volt. He recently went to a alternate transportation meeting amd was reporting on his experience. About the volt: car is due out in 2013 (why is GM advertizing the car now?); he talked to exectives of the Li-on battery company A123 and was told only the packaging of the battery for the volt remains to be accomplished; he said PHEV will cost 1-3 cents per mile vs. 9-12 conventional cars. The cost of operation statement is misleading--as previously stated in a very knowledgable thread, when the cost of electricity is 25-30 cents per KWh, the PHEV Prius will not save money as compared to non PHEV Prius.

**efusco** · 12-05-2007, 09:58 AM

While, ultimately, the rep's estimate may be closer to the real release date, I currently am going to believe GM and their 2010 (2011 MY) release. We'll see if they hit any stumbling blocks, but battery testing is underway and I think they should be able to get the car out no later than 2011 baring unforeseen difficulties.

Stev0 · 12-05-2007, 10:37 AM

I believe the Volt will be released to the general public in the year X+3, where X is the current year. In other words, this year, it will be released 2010. Next year, it will be released 2011. In 2011, it will be released 2014.

Kablooie · 12-05-2007, 11:32 AM

I'm glad to know it's release is just around the corner

... and down the street aways

... and over the river and through the woods.

hill · 12-05-2007, 12:46 PM

Which will be running first . . . the prototype of the volt?

or my time machine

samiam · 12-05-2007, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stev0

I believe the Volt will be released to the general public in the year X+3, where X is the current year.

I recognise that equation! It's the programmer's constant.

Q: When's that code going to be finished?
A: Two weeks from now...

Where: "Now" pointer is set to current date whenever "Q" is asked

gkalkas · 12-06-2007, 06:41 PM

That 2013 was either a typo or mis-statement. Also, the 2007 avg. cost/KWh is 10.65 cents.
http://www.gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-re...-of-operation/
Volt will use 8 KWh to go 40 mi. or 2.13 cents/mi.

Bob Lutz, GM Vice Chairman, has said, a number of times, that the Volt will come out in 2010. As recently as Nov. 15th, he said November, 2010, and that he knows that is aggressive. (google “volt November 2010”).

I’m wondering if the Negative Nells out there believe that GM will not develop a PHEV and Toyota will? Hint: they will be within 1 year of each other.

So far, efusco is the reasonable voice. Well, one out of five ain’t bad.

hill · 12-07-2007, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gkalkas

That 2013 was either a typo or mis-statement. Also, the 2007 avg. cost/KWh is 10.65 cents.
http://www.gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-re...-of-operation/
Volt will use 8 KWh to go 40 mi. or 2.13 cents/mi.

Bob Lutz, GM Vice Chairman, has said, a number of times, that the Volt will come out in 2010. As recently as Nov. 15th, he said November, 2010, and that he knows that is aggressive. (google “volt November 2010”).

I’m wondering if the Negative Nells out there believe that GM will not develop a PHEV and Toyota will? Hint: they will be within 1 year of each other.

So far, efusco is the reasonable voice. Well, one out of five ain’t bad.

It'd be easier to believe stuff from GM if their board (Especially Lutz) didn't have such a miserable record when it comes to telling the truth. With Lutz, you can detrmine if it's truth by whether or not his lips are moving. If you don't know that, then YES, one out of five aint bad.

Stev0 · 12-07-2007, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gkalkas

I’m wondering if the Negative Nells out there believe that GM will not develop a PHEV and Toyota will? Hint: they will be within 1 year of each other.

So far, efusco is the reasonable voice. Well, one out of five ain’t bad.

Seriously, I think GM WILL release the Volt in one form or another.

However, the question isn't "Will GM screw it up?", but rather, "HOW will GM screw it up?"

burritos · 12-07-2007, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stev0

Seriously, I think GM WILL release the Volt in one form or another.

However, the question isn't "Will GM screw it up?", but rather, "HOW will GM screw it up?"

It has released the Volt. In the form of a greenwash campaign that is cheaper than actually having to come up with a green product.

Let ask another question, why can't GM just unkill the EV1 and make the new and improved EV2 hybrid plugin? Wouldn't that be easier than introducing fuel cells in a car, something that's never been done before?

12-05-2007, 09:54 AM	#1
jtmhog Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 151 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: Base Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Friends: 0	GM Volt in 2013 On CSPAN last night, D. Larsen, house of representative form Wash state, talked about 15 minutes on the Chevy volt. He recently went to a alternate transportation meeting amd was reporting on his experience. About the volt: car is due out in 2013 (why is GM advertizing the car now?); he talked to exectives of the Li-on battery company A123 and was told only the packaging of the battery for the volt remains to be accomplished; he said PHEV will cost 1-3 cents per mile vs. 9-12 conventional cars. The cost of operation statement is misleading--as previously stated in a very knowledgable thread, when the cost of electricity is 25-30 cents per KWh, the PHEV Prius will not save money as compared to non PHEV Prius.

12-05-2007, 12:46 PM	#5
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efusco Troll Slayer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nixa, MO Posts: 18,054 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 102 Thanked 501 Times in 270 Posts Friends: 41	While, ultimately, the rep's estimate may be closer to the real release date, I currently am going to believe GM and their 2010 (2011 MY) release. We'll see if they hit any stumbling blocks, but battery testing is underway and I think they should be able to get the car out no later than 2011 baring unforeseen difficulties.

12-05-2007, 10:37 AM	#3
Stev0 Aluminum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 5,871 My Car: 2006 Prius Model: Package: #7 Thanks: 43 Thanked 94 Times in 66 Posts Friends: 7	I believe the Volt will be released to the general public in the year X+3, where X is the current year. In other words, this year, it will be released 2010. Next year, it will be released 2011. In 2011, it will be released 2014.

12-05-2007, 11:32 AM	#4
Kablooie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: La Canada Posts: 255 My Car: 2004 Prius Model: Package: #9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Friends: 0	I'm glad to know it's release is just around the corner ... and down the street aways ... and over the river and through the woods.

12-06-2007, 06:41 PM	#7
gkalkas Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 57 My Car: 2005 Prius Model: Package: #4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Friends: 1	That 2013 was either a typo or mis-statement. Also, the 2007 avg. cost/KWh is 10.65 cents. http://www.gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-re...-of-operation/ Volt will use 8 KWh to go 40 mi. or 2.13 cents/mi. Bob Lutz, GM Vice Chairman, has said, a number of times, that the Volt will come out in 2010. As recently as Nov. 15th, he said November, 2010, and that he knows that is aggressive. (google “volt November 2010”). I’m wondering if the Negative Nells out there believe that GM will not develop a PHEV and Toyota will? Hint: they will be within 1 year of each other. So far, efusco is the reasonable voice. Well, one out of five ain’t bad.