Gm's Volt: Made In China?

[malorn]

Originally Posted by C.RICKEY HIROSE

malorn, Let me barge in here, if you may. $52 B deficit in the Automotive sector between Japan and USA.? Japanese consumers are waiting to buy Americas product, 1st America has to produce vehicles matched to that country. Toyota has tried in the past to bring GM's products and try to sell them in Japan for many years, they invested in opening up dealers to carry the GM's products but America does not produce Automobiles catering to the need and taste for customers willing to buy American cars.

Japan imports and consumes many products from USA. For instance: Meat products, Grains, garments, etc. The Japan's self-defence army procures all its warfare products from USA. Gun-ships, Awacs, Tanks,Missiles, Fighter Jets to mention a few. Guess what, Japan spends
not but of dollars buying from Amaerica. Not from EU countries, if you didn't know that...

Trade-deficit in the Auto sectors may be but due to the reason that America does not provide taylor made Automobiles to its targeted markets, look at the bigger picture, they are losing the world market share 'cause they do not listen to the "consumers of the world" So trade-deficit in the Auto sector is their own fault. Japn's is the most dependable allay of USA, not the Eurepeans, America can live with $52B deficit with Japan as you put it. America is getting their "Money" worth back from Japan....if you didn't know.

Japan's Trade deficit is peanuts comparing to what is happening with China..This is the huge country that everybody has to be watching for the foresseable future. We are going to need another Earth planet to satisfy China. Fearsome, America will be eaten by the of dollars very soon...

First of all, you don't think Japanese consumers would want to buy any foreign cars? How about a chevy, or a bmw , or a vw, or kia, or mercedes? In relative terms there are NO foreign cars sold in Japan, American, German, Korean. Now you also say the trade deficit with Japan is ok because they are an ally? So as long as they say yea they have the green light to steal us blind? Several trillion dollars over the last several years? They only buy what they can't produce or are not allowed to produce.
As for China, they are just copying the Japanese plan for the USA but the sheer number of workers will bankrupt us fast.

[malorn]

Originally Posted by hill

Hirose, you'll find malorn often repeats the same incorect data, over and over. After doing away with the Japan trade deficit issue, as an unnecessary reason to "level the playing field" (for GM) he'll just bring it up another day ... another time ... hopeing next time, different readers will buy into it. As a smart person, he already knew the truth of your points.

Wallmart's (and other companys) chinese goodies, as both you & I mentioned, don't concern him ... only things more directly related to GM. Once China dials their cars in ... via quality, cost ... THEN it will concern malorn/GM. If he WERE concerned about China he'd be pushing for assurances that GM will build the entire Volt in the U.S. ... 100%. Not just putting the major assemblies together in the U.S. (if/when ever the do build it)

Let me ask other pc members on here? I only speak about trade deficit relating to Japan? It is true that is what I am the most familiar with, but the whole trade deficit is unbelievable. The only way this happens is over time, like water dripping on a rock. Eventually the rock is gone or has a huge hole in it!

[hill]

Curious, are you changing HIROSE's subject re NO trade imbalance when factoring all the goods he mentioned ... or just accidently ignoring it. I see why you would ... because that way you bring it back to stricly being the imbalance towards GM. Last time I was in japan (1987) I saw quite a few forign cars ... but then again, that's just the subject changing thing, so never mind me.

[malorn]

Originally Posted by hill

Curious, are you changing HIROSE's subject re NO trade imbalance when factoring all the goods he mentioned ... or just accidently ignoring it. I see why you would ... because that way you bring it back to stricly being the imbalance towards GM. Last time I was in japan (1987) I saw quite a few forign cars ... but then again, that's just the subject changing thing, so never mind me.

I wonder where you were hanging out in Japan? Take a look for yourself and then tell me about how many foreign cars in Japan? do you think this is an "open market"? What obstacles and obstructions do you think exist?

Motor Vehicle Imports by Year Industry Statistics. JAMA

As for GM, there is only one major market where they are outsold by toyota, see above link and I thinkk you will be able to guess which one.

[C.RICKEY HIROSE]

Originally Posted by malorn

First of all, you don't think Japanese consumers would want to buy any foreign cars? How about a chevy, or a bmw , or a vw, or kia, or mercedes? In relative terms there are NO foreign cars sold in Japan, American, German, Korean. Now you also say the trade deficit with Japan is ok because they are an ally? So as long as they say yea they have the green light to steal us blind? Several trillion dollars over the last several years? They only buy what they can't produce or are not allowed to produce.
As for China, they are just copying the Japanese plan for the USA but the sheer number of workers will bankrupt us fast.

malorn, you are making total inaccurate assumption again.
Japanese do buy foreign vehicles. Although they do look for quality, versability,vehicle's size reputation, re-sale value etc. The fact is: The Germans although very expensive in comparison to other import marques but do perform very strongly in Japan's market versus other marques.

Years back, Toyota did implement and invested their own money to open up a dealership chain to promote and sell the GM's product but general public frawned up on. This is one example: Japanese do try to advertise and promote USA made vehicles but its products are inferior in comparison to other makes across the world.

You see, you have to taylor your vehicle and strategy to sell in "that" market as Toyota has been doing here since the 60's. Japan's Auto trade-
surplus hasn't been created overnight you know.

[C.RICKEY HIROSE]

Originally Posted by malorn

First of all, you don't think Japanese consumers would want to buy any foreign cars? How about a chevy, or a bmw , or a vw, or kia, or mercedes? In relative terms there are NO foreign cars sold in Japan, American, German, Korean. Now you also say the trade deficit with Japan is ok because they are an ally? So as long as they say yea they have the green light to steal us blind? Several trillion dollars over the last several years? They only buy what they can't produce or are not allowed to produce.
As for China, they are just copying the Japanese plan for the USA but the sheer number of workers will bankrupt us fast.

malorn, you are making total inaccurate assumption again.
Japanese do buy foreign vehicles. Although they do look for quality, versatility,vehicle's size reputation, re-sale value etc. The fact is: The Germans although very expensive in comparison to other import marques but do perform very strongly in Japan's market versus other marques.

Years back, Toyota did implement and invested their own money to open up a dealership chain to promote and sell the GM's product but general public frawned up on. This is one example: Japanese do try to advertise and promote USA made vehicles but its products are inferior in comparison to other makes across the world.

You see, you have to taylor your vehicle and strategy to sell in "that" market as Toyota has been doing here since the 60's. Japan's Auto trade-
surplus hasn't been created overnight you know.

But America has greater windfall in the form of, selling all Military war fare to Japan. Plus all or most of, Food, Timber,High tech,Aeronautical has been imported to Japan, from America. NOT from EU countries...

Trade-Deficit ? Watch out for mighty China. They are the real protectionist state, They have America by the ball! We call China,
America's most favoured nation. It is one way street really....

In order to do business with China: Example, US sends a delegate party to try negotiate entry to china's market. China brings all decision making party members ( So we thought )to the negotiation table. When America thinks all done and sealed, Not quite, that was the Dummy governments officials. the game just started!

US just started with the lowest level Chinese officials. The "Buck" does not stop there, they have not reached the "real decision making top brass"

That's is protectionism, Japan's $52 B with USA? Drop in the bucket.
Wait when China comes in full swing.... We are going to need another Earth size planet to suffice China's growth appetite, USA beware,CHINA
is the next economic power....

[malorn]

Originally Posted by C.RICKEY HIROSE

malorn, you are making total inaccurate assumption again.
Japanese do buy foreign vehicles. Although they do look for quality, versatility,vehicle's size reputation, re-sale value etc. The fact is: The Germans although very expensive in comparison to other import marques but do perform very strongly in Japan's market versus other marques.

Years back, Toyota did implement and invested their own money to open up a dealership chain to promote and sell the GM's product but general public frawned up on. This is one example: Japanese do try to advertise and promote USA made vehicles but its products are inferior in comparison to other makes across the world.

You see, you have to taylor your vehicle and strategy to sell in "that" market as Toyota has been doing here since the 60's. Japan's Auto trade-
surplus hasn't been created overnight you know.

But America has greater windfall in the form of, selling all Military war fare to Japan. Plus all or most of, Food, Timber,High tech,Aeronautical has been imported to Japan, from America. NOT from EU countries...

The facts say otherwise, in 2006 the Japanese market was 5,739,506 units. The number of importswas 280,995 units or 4.8%. In the U.S the import share was 46.2%. If the imports were limited to the same share as the imports enjoy in Japan the imports would have sold 6,737.025 fewer vehicles in the US in 2006.
You are right the industry was not created overnight in the US, because it would have never been allowed.
America has the greater windfall? How do you add that up? A 1.9 trillion trade deficit over the last 22 years is the greater windfall? Are you saying the US is better off financially ove the last 25 years because of the trade "partnership" with Japan?
As for the military purchases, do you think that has covered just the cost of having hundreds of thousands of troops stationed there over the last 62 years? Do you know there are still more than 50,000 US troops on Japanese soil?

[hill]

Uhh, I KNOW you can't stay on topic, but maybe this reminder will moot the distracter. U.S. troops were the U.S.'s idea after WWII and if / when your congerespersons decides otherwise, Japanese will be glad to wave byebye at them. The U.S. likes having bases all over, even where folks would just likely be glad if they pulled up stakes. Bottom line you have to factor in military sales w/ Japan, so your defict thing simply doesn't wash. Again, you need to worry about China goodies. GM simply doesn't sell as well because other auto manufacturers beat their quality. Sad to say, China will have better quality soon, too, if GM doesn't put more effort into it.

[malorn]

Originally Posted by hill

Uhh, I KNOW you can't stay on topic, but maybe this reminder will moot the distracter. U.S. troops were the U.S.'s idea after WWII and if / when your congerespersons decides otherwise, Japanese will be glad to wave byebye at them. The U.S. likes having bases all over, even where folks would just likely be glad if they pulled up stakes. Bottom like you have to factor in military sales w/ Japan, so your defict thing simply doesn't wash. Again, you need to worry about China goodies, because GM simply doesn't sell as well because others beat their quality. Sad to say, China will took, if GM doesn't put more effort into it.

Hill the imbalance of payments over the last 22 years is over $1.9 trillion with Japan and that includes all military purchases. Do you think this is just dumb luck? As for China, i am very worried about them too, they are just folowing the japanese blueprint. Start small and use lots of marketing.

[jayman]

Originally Posted by malorn

You are right the industry was not created overnight in the US, because it would have never been allowed.
America has the greater windfall? How do you add that up? A 1.9 trillion trade deficit over the last 22 years is the greater windfall? Are you saying the US is better off financially ove the last 25 years because of the trade "partnership" with Japan?

I really can’t understand why you’re whining so much. You claim to have a lot of money, so whatever happens, you’ll be laughing all the way to the bank. You have the ability to move assets around, to have access to *very* favorable tax laws the average working person can’t even imagine

I incorporated around 26 years ago and it remains the single best financial decision I have ever made. Given my income, my tax burden is so tiny it’s embarrassing. So unless you had Old Family money and managed to piss away every last cent, I just can’t see how any financial meltdown affecting the US or Canada could possibly affect your family

Even talk of a budget surplus in the US or Canada was mostly hot air. It was courtesy of refinancing the enormous public debt held by both countries. Much like a homeowner stuck with a huge mortgage at 18% who refi down to 6%, suddenly they have this magic budget surplus every month. Despite the fact the total debt remains. In the case of Canada or the US, guess who primarily helped refi the debt? Not Japan

I thought you were supposed to get involved in politics? What happened? Or did you find out that the Democrats and even your precious Republicans were both responsible for screwing everybody in North America. Unless you run as an Independent, nobody from the DNC or RNC will want to hear any talk of trade imbalance or – god help you – a balanced budget

That said, I’m not in any way trying to discredit you or discourage you. It’s just that if you truly are independently wealthy, why would you even give one rats a** what happens to the economy. It can’t possibly affect you